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MikeB
30-04-18, 07:42 PM
Inspired by some of the posts in this thread: http://www.buffyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?20897-Post-BtVS-S1-could-Buffy-Xander-have-ever-been-popular .


Buffy/Xander never have sexual/physical chemistry. The closest I remember is when Buffy's under the spell in "Bewitched, Bothered, & Bewildered" (B 2.16) and that is less than what Buffy/Tom ("Reptile Boy" (B 2.05)) had.

I consider it's near canon that Buffy/Spike was more likely in BtVS S2 than Buffy/Xander was.



"School Hard" (B 2.03):


* "School Hard" (B 2.03). Spike's clearly attracted to Buffy but is more into Drusilla and would have killed Buffy were not for Joyce's interference. When Buffy first sees Spike, she flips her hair and seems to consider he may be another 'Angel'-type.


* Before their fight, Spike flirts with Buffy and Buffy is affected by such flirting (see her smile). She literally tosses away any chance of killing him. Buffy after the fight looks at Spike the same way Drusilla looks at Spike when Spike moves to and then does kill the Immortal. Both get hot by Spike because of his power and attitude.



"Halloween" (B 2.06):


* Spike is looking at Buffy Porn. Drusilla is concerned. Spike looks like he's going to kiss Princess Buffy and probably sire her. Buffy tells him, "Honey, I'm home." and is smiling after their fight. The only reasonable explanation is Buffy is happy that Spike seems attracted to her.



"Lie to Me" (B 2.07):


* Buffy finds out Spike has a girlfriend. That doesn't make her happy but it does further her regard for Spike. The whole 'Lie to Me' thing is about her now seeing moral grays and that is the result of Billy Fordam and Spike. If anything, Buffy's regard for Angel lessens after learning about Angel/Drusilla.



Post-"Lie to Me" (B 2.07) to "Becoming Part I" (B 2.21)


* Spike is more focused on Drusilla.


* Buffy literally has sex with Angel when she does because Spike was continually still trying to kill her.

- It's also notable that Buffy/Parker dated for two months and Buffy has sex with Parker upon seeing Spike again and seeing Spike still wants to kill her.

- Buffy/Riley literally starts after Spike is back in town wanting to kill her. Even in "Something Blue" (B 4.09), Spike before the spell wanted to kill Buffy and during the spell wanted her to quit her job, seemingly her friends, etc.



"Becoming Part II" (B 2.22)


* Spike calls Buffy "cutie". Spike's little speech gets Buffy more interested in Spike.


* Buffy on the way to her house checks Spike out. Spike is introduced to her mother as the new boyfriend (what Joyce would think). Spike first says Buffy plays the Triangle and after Buffy switches that to "Drums.", he says, "She's hell on the old skins." Um, yeah. Spike says, "He sings." (You know, with Spike being wheelchair bound and all...)


* Spike wants Angel dead but then Buffy demands Dru's death. The upshot would be no Buffy/Angel and no Spike/Drusilla...

Spike tests Buffy by moving to kill the police officer. Buffy tests Spike by demanding Dru's death and thus seeing if Spike would be more loyal to Buffy than to Dru.

Inside the Summers' home, Buffy looks like she wants to jump Spike.

"Becoming Part II" (B 2.22) is what caused many to consider Buffy/Spike might happen in BtVS S3 if Angel didn't come back until his spinoff.



In BtVS S2 and BtVS S3, Buffy is clearly more into Angel than she's into Spike and Spike is clearly more into Drusilla than he's into Buffy. But Buffy/Spike began in "School Hard" (B 2.03).

Buffy/Xander never happened. Buffy's not thinking Xander is ugly doesn't translate into somehow there being sexual/physical chemistry between them.

I'd even argue there was more sexual chemistry between Willow/Spike ("Lovers Walk" (B 3.08) and "The Initiative" (B 4.07)) than there ever was between non-spelled Buffy and Xander.

Priceless
30-04-18, 07:52 PM
The trouble is that the Buffy/Xander relationship was never attempted, so the actors were never asked to behave as though there was a lot of sexual chemistry between them. As the story was about unrequited love, the actors were probably asked to rein in any chemistry they may have had, and make it look as though they could only ever be a friendship in Season 2.

So no, they had no chemistry, but that could have been because they were trying not to show chemistry on screen. Although I don't see any chemistry between Xander/Cordy and very little between Buffy/Angel, so maybe I'm not a good judge.

Sosa lola
30-04-18, 08:01 PM
I saw chemistry in the Phases hug, last scene of Inca Mummy Girl and also BB&B, but it's as Priceless said, the actors were told to act like something was there. Most of the time, they're told to act like friends and nothing more.

Also chemistry is such a subjective argument. I don't see chemistry in a lot of the show's relationships perhaps because I'm not invested in them, I don't know, but I'm sure others see the chemestary.

a thing of evil
30-04-18, 09:24 PM
I voted Buffy/Xander because of that dance in "Passion". Like, how are those two not dating? :confused::confused::confused:

KingofCretins
30-04-18, 09:51 PM
There's going to be answers that are an honest reading of what was shown on screen in 1997-1998, and there's going to be an answers that are mostly projections backward based on acting and writing choices that wouldn't be made until the early 2000s, mostly out of preference.

SpuffyGlitz
30-04-18, 09:52 PM
For some reason, I didn't see a ton of chemistry in Xander's relationships: Anya, and Cordy. There were moments when I would see one-sided chemistry between Xander and Buffy - he really did seem crazy about her in S1 and even 2, but I never saw it with Anya, and only a little with Cordy.

It's probably because they made Xander play his main character role very consistently, and that bled into his acting so much that he maybe wasn't able to fully portray his attraction to Anya (though with Cordelia, it still sort of of came through.)

If anything, I saw more chemistry between Xander and Lissa (Alicia Keys) in their S7 brief interaction in First Date (before the date went heinously wrong haha), and between Spike and Xander (epitomised by that awesome scene in Hush when Xander lets Spike know just how "biteable" he is, lol, and there's this easy camaraderie between them).

ghoststar
30-04-18, 10:22 PM
Buffy/Spike. For whatever reason, James Marsters has chemistry with just about everyone, even when it makes no sense. In Buffy's case, though, it actually does, thanks to the show's escalating conflation of hunting with arousal and fighting with sex.

I don't think, though, that it was really love or romance going back that far, or that either of them ever consciously anticipated their "relationship" ending in sex. Buffy's having a hard enough time dealing with the idea of sometimes kissing a souled vampire, and Spike never so much as mentions another woman's attractiveness at any point during his and Dru's relationship.

SpuffyGlitz
30-04-18, 11:12 PM
Agree, ghoststar! I think that's how I see it too.

and Spike never so much as mentions another woman's attractiveness at any point during his and Dru's relationship.

Except he does - Buffy is that exception. :)

bespangled
01-05-18, 12:56 AM
For whatever reason, James Marsters has chemistry with just about everyone, even when it makes no sense.

This! There is no rational reason for Spander - it's basically pure chemistry. The same goes for every Spike pairing that isn't canon.

It's not always a sexual chemistry, but he just brings it. With Joyce, he's a whiny teen who adores her, and with Dawn he's a big brother who looks out for her. He's one of those actors who elevates everone's performances.

I think part of Xander's problem with Anya was that while she claimed to love sex, she was never really sensual. When she slept with Spike she was vulnerable and wounded - we never really got to see that with Xander. We never see any sensuality in his relationship with Buffy, either. He is her white knight.

There was more chemistry in Buffy and Spike looking at each other in Becoming II then there ever was between Xander and Buffy.

Rebcake
01-05-18, 07:05 AM
Remember when people used to talk about the chemistry between Spike and his crypt door in "Dead Things"? The point being that he could muster up chemistry with anybody and anything. Spike: the molecule that combines with all others. (Don't be mad, Stoney. He just brings it.)

Sosa lola
01-05-18, 01:13 PM
For some reason, I didn't see a ton of chemistry in Xander's relationships: Anya, and Cordy.

I actually like Xander/Cordelia, but to be honest, I enjoy Xander more with non-canon ships. I guess the writing of Xander's ships on the show just never really clicked for me. Perhaps because they dumbed down Anya's character a lot. It's such a missed opportunity because S3 Anya would have been an interesting match for Xander.

With Cordelia there's the "she must move to AtS" so Xander/Cordelia must be over whatever the cost! I would have liked it more if Cordelia broke up with Xander by the end of S3 to go to LA. A clean break with no grudges.

Stoney
01-05-18, 02:00 PM
Remember when people used to talk about the chemistry between Spike and his crypt door in "Dead Things"? The point being that he could muster up chemistry with anybody and anything. Spike: the molecule that combines with all others. (Don't be mad, Stoney. He just brings it.)

When we're talking about JM bringing such energy and connection to the role and with everything(!) he's on screen with, then I'm totally behind it and not mad at all. It's the need to always try to turn it sexual with everyone regardless of any existing dynamics etc that I grump about. :xd