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Priceless
09-02-18, 10:29 AM
Article from Life& Style about Buffy Spin-Off's we never saw. Do you have a favourite spin-off idea, maybe one that isn't mentioned in the article?

'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' Spin-Off Shows You Never Saw, But Wish You Did
Feb 8, 2018 1:48 pm
By Ed Gross

Let’s face it, Buffy the Vampire Slayer had the odds stacked against it. No one had ever taken a movie that failed to make any sort of impression with audiences and decided to turn it into a television series before. Why would they? Well, defying expectations became commonplace for Buffy and its creator, writer Joss Whedon. Not only did the resulting show receive far more acclaim from the critics and fans than the film had, it became a pop culture phenomenon that ended up running for seven seasons. And it spawned a spin-off in the form of Angel, which ran for five seasons of its own. Yet despite all that, Joss had more ideas to expand the universe; ideas that weren’t driven by greed, but rather an excess of concepts and stories that deserved to live on their own.

Former Buffy executive producer Marti Noxon (creator of Sharp Objects and Girlfriends’ Guide to Divorce, and co-creator of UnReal) explains, “As the show started to function a little more smoothly and he had a little bit more time, unlike the rest of us who would go home and take a nap, Joss goes and creates another show. Joss would say to me, ‘What’d you do this weekend?’ and I’m, like, ‘Well, I went to the mall, saw my brother, worked in the morning on Saturday. What did you do?' and he’ll reply, 'I wrote a couple of songs, I did a comic book, I created this new show, and I’m working on a novel.' Also, as the characters in the universe developed, we started to see possibilities in all of them. I look at almost every character on Buffy and I think, ‘Wow, they could have their own show.’ As you start to see the richness of that world, you realize there’s all this potential for spin-offs.”

Take a look at the spin-offs you never thought you needed, until now.

Buffy the Animated Series
The one that came closest to being realized was this one, which would have been produced under the guidance of showrunner Jeph Loeb, now in charge of Marvel television.

“It was an opportunity to do the things or the jokes that we only did in the writers room,” says Joss. “But with the animated series, we had a chance, while being cool, scary and empowered, to be really whimsical. It would have been a return to the adolescence of year one and very freeing. A completely different kind of fun than the live show or the comics.”


Adds Jeph, “We had put together a Class A animation team. We had all 13 stories for the first season and nine scripts that were all written by Buffy writers and myself. I spent a year and a half over there running the show, but it just sort of stopped, everything was put in a box and we waited. While there are darker aspects, the show was absolutely geared to go a little younger, simply because of the nature of animation. What would be the point of doing an animated version of the live-action show that’s exactly the same?”

Joss admits that when the characters graduated from high school, he got a bit choked up, believing that there were more stories to tell, but not willing to defy the reality of the actors aging.

“That opportunity in animation,” he says, “was a well to draw from forever, and the relationships could be fluid within the boundaries of the show. One of the points of the show was that even though things may look like they’re set a certain way, some days your best friend is your worst enemy.”


Notes Jeph, “The show was about the grounding principles of Buffy as a metaphor for high school anxieties; high school troubles and how they manifest themselves. Joss feels that the metaphor is never stronger than when you’re in the middle of high school and you’re trying to figure things out. So Buffy has moved to Sunnydale, she’s friends with Xander and Willow, and she has begun to accept her role as the Slayer. But there were stories that fall in between the stories that you know and love. Then there are just certain things that the budget of the live show would not allow that we would have been able to do. That’s the most fun.”

But these dreams never came to be since no network was interested in the animated series.

“’Teenie Buffy’ was the first script turned in,” adds Joss. “We wanted the toughness of a Batman show, really good action, strong hero, but at the same time the completely off-center humor of The Simpsons. But we couldn’t find a home for it. Nobody seemed to want it, and it blew my mind. I feel like I’m standing here with bags of money. It’s Buffy Animated, what more do I need to explain here? People were just, like, ‘We’re not doing that sort of thing, we have a different agenda,’ and I’m wondering, did I miss the memo where this wasn't a cash cow? I had the Buffy writers writing it and the Buffy actors wanting to be in it. What did I miss?”


Faith the Vampire Slayer
Eliza Dushku became a recurring character in Buffy as Faith, the powerful, dangerous and ultimately redeemable vampire slayer. When the series was finishing up its seven-year run, for a time the possibility of spinning her off into her own series seemed very real.

States Marti, “That’s certainly one of the things we talked about, but I don’t think that’s where Eliza’s career goals were. It’s too bad, because if she were interested, that’s a show I can totally see. She’s a reluctant TV star, which is a shame because she’s so good. We tried, believe me. It’s funny, she’s the fan of many Buffy folk and not the biggest Buffy fan. It doesn’t seem like she’s enough of a geek for the show to say, ‘Yes, I want to do this no matter what the cost.’”

“I feel kind of bad, but I also needed to get something going,” admits Eliza, who, instead had chosen the series Tru Calling, playing morgue attendant Tru Davies who is spoken to by corpses and then propelled backwards in time to save them. “We created this character five years earlier and it’s the kind of thing where I wanted to be standing on my own two feet a little bit and not be following in Buffy’s footsteps. I love the show and have so much respect for the writers and everyone, but if it was going to be that kind of a commitment — which God knows these kind of things are — I felt it needed to be something new. For me, I never wanted to kind of lock myself down into television, because of the long contracts and commitments — it’s six years — and I’m a really severe sufferer of ADD. What if I don’t want to do this anymore, but I’ve signed on the dotted line? But when Tru Calling came up, it was such a cool story and character.”

Tim Minear, executive producer of Angel and American Horror Story, is the one who came up with the idea for the potential show. “The show was basically going to be Faith, probably on a motorcycle, crossing the Earth, trying to find her place in the world. The idea of her rooted some place seemed wrong to me. The idea of her constantly on the move seemed right to me. Oh, and she broke out of prison on Angel, so there would have been people after her,” he explained.

Ripper
This would have been a co-production with the BBC and shot in England, with the focus on the impact his dark past is having on Rupert Giles' (Anthony Stewart Head) life.

Recalls Marti, “In our discussions, we realized because of the style of the show and the fact that it was a BBC series, we wouldn’t have felt as beholden to hit every act break with a big cliffhanger. The situations wouldn’t necessarily have had a monster in every episode. There would always be a supernatural element, but it wouldn’t have to be quite so genre. It would feel a little more like Prime Suspect with monsters. Giles’ past is pretty dark. We were going to get to grow him up and show him in situations with women and all kinds of good stuff that he didn’t get to do on Buffy.”

“I hope that one day it gets made,” says Anthony Stewart Head. “It’s a lovely, lovely story. Kind of a ghost story. It’s also about a man investigating his own soul. It’s classic Joss Whedon.”

Fray
It’s no secret that Joss is a huge comic book geek, having contributed scripts to some of the biggest comic book series ever published, but when he created Fray — the story of future slayer Melaka Fray — for Dark Horse Comics, the intention was always to see it one day make the jump to film or television.

“It took place 200 years in the future,” explains Joss, “thinking there’s no way this could ever affect the Buffy universe, so it would be safe."

Laughs Marti, “The opportunity to actually be the author of Fray was too enticing for Joss. His passion for all of this is genuine; I don’t think he’d do something that he really didn’t want to do. He’s had ample opportunity to exploit Buffy in ways that he has not, and ample opportunities to produce other shows he would get credit for and money for that he didn’t feel passionate about. Anything he does do, is because he wants to see it.”

The waiting game continues.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnUvZP7-5LM

Silver1
09-02-18, 01:38 PM
I would have gone with an animated series myself. It would be easier to do as the original cast could be anywhere in the world to record their voices and of course nobody would appear to age.

Not bothered with Fray as the comics bored the hell outta me sadly.

Priceless
09-02-18, 02:30 PM
I would have gone with an animated series myself. It would be easier to do as the original cast could be anywhere in the world to record their voices and of course nobody would appear to age.

Not bothered with Fray as the comics bored the hell outta me sadly.

Agree so much about Fray. I am always surprised when someone raves about them. I have no interest in Fray at all and as you say, they are boring and lack any suspense.

I'd have liked an animated series too, but not particularly one set in high school as there might not be a suitable role for Spike, except as a big bad along with Dru and I wouldn't have enjoyed that. Who knows, not that Disney control the product, we might see a Buffy animated show. If they do it, I hope it isn't aimed at children.

I'd still love a Ripper series and I'm sure ASH would still be up for it. There may even be room for 'special guest stars' from BtVS in one or two episodes, they would just be amazing.

flow
09-02-18, 05:36 PM
If there are actually stories for a complete season and scripts for nine episodes, I wouldn`t rule out the possibility, that they are going to use them some time in the future. TBH - I donīt like the Trailer (if it is a trailer) at all. None of the characters look like their selves and the superntaural stuff with the kicking and jumping is just over the top.

I can understand, That ED chose to do something differently. Although I like Faith as a character, I am not sure, if I would have been intersted in a spin off.

I don`t know Fray, so I wouldn`t be interested in that spin off either.

Actually the Ripper stuff sounds the most interesting. Would they do it with Giles (ASH) in our time and have flashbacks to his past in the seventies (probably with a different and younger actor then) ?

flow

Priceless
09-02-18, 06:55 PM
Actually the Ripper stuff sounds the most interesting. Would they do it with Giles (ASH) in our time and have flashbacks to his past in the seventies (probably with a different and younger actor then) ?


That's how I imgaine they'd do it. We'd have flashbacks to his Ripper days, showing him at Watchers school maybe, andh ow he rebelled against that.

Silver1
09-02-18, 08:31 PM
Of course when It comes to an animated spin off there's the young and fun end of the market....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bnbxP6HHMY

Priceless
09-02-18, 09:04 PM
Now I really want a Buffy animated series. C'mon people, how can we make this happen? :D

GoSpuffy
09-02-18, 10:10 PM
I would have checked out any of them. I'd heard about the Faith one before and there was a possibility Spike was going with her. No way would I have missed Spike on a bike.

Silver1
09-02-18, 10:15 PM
He was just going to be kept as a ghost sadly. Thats why I wasn't interested it really.

TriBel
09-02-18, 11:05 PM
I'm probably in the minority but I think I preferred the animated comics. ;)

GoSpuffy
09-02-18, 11:08 PM
I think the Ripper one would have been best.

Silver1
09-02-18, 11:15 PM
I'm probably in the minority but I think I preferred the animated comics. ;)

Oh god sorry, I thought they were dire. :(

vampmogs
10-02-18, 02:46 AM
I would have watched any Buffyverse spinoff but I think Ripper had the most potential. I would have loved a BBC spinoff focused on Giles as he lived in England and solved mysteries. It’d also be great to see Giles interact with an older cast of characters and to further explore his past. Whedon also stated that Giles’ two great aunts Sophie and Lavinia, from the Angel & Faith comics, were originally conceived as characters for the Ripper series and would have been played by Anthony Steward Head’s daughters. I think Ripper was probably the most original spinoff idea and would have felt very different from either BtVS or AtS which is important. Being a BBC production, it would also have had far fewer episodes each season, which would have allowed both ASH and Whedon to explore other projects as well. I doubt we’ll ever get a Buffyverse spinoff now but Ripper is one of the few spinoff ideas that I believe could still conceivably happen.

I would have loved a Faith spinoff but I must admit that the premise of the show, as stated by Tim Minear, didn’t sound all that appealing to me. Having Faith drive around the country on a motorbike could work (it sounds very similar to Supernatural’s premise) but I generally prefer to have characters rooted in the one place. The premise sounds like it would involve a lot of standalone MotW episodes with Faith travelling to different towns each week, whereas I’d have preferred a more serialized story. I’m sure if the show had lasted a few seasons that eventually we would have got an arc but I think it would have been a slow start. I wasn’t all that enthused about the idea of ghost Spike either (though I also think eventually he’d have been made corporeal as there’s only so much you can do with that premise) and I believe Robin Wood was also supposed to be in the cast and he doesn’t interest me much either. The problem with having Faith continuously travelling is that it would really limit the writer’s abilities to have a large cast of characters. Unless they all followed Faith around on their own bikes or something (which is pretty lame?) then the cast would always be very small.

I’d have also happily watched a Buffy Animated Series but I would have preferred that they target it towards a more adult audience. Even when I was obsessed with the comics I still would have much preferred a cartoon continuation of the show over comic books. I think an Animated Series is still the only other conceivable spinoff that could still happen as I think the majoriy of the cast would sign on and it’s far less of a commitment for the writers. I even think you could convince SMG to get on board (she floated the idea herself at the 20th Anniversary reunion) as she does a lot of voice work now, it would not take her away from her kids or Foodstirs, and it’d alleviate her concerns that she’s too old to play the character now.

Honestly, I would just be happy with a Netflix miniseries. I would love nothing more than 8-10 episodes with the main cast. It’s just extremely doubtful it would ever happen with SMG’s reluctance to reprise her role, the age of JM and DB who look way too old to play their characters now (DB was looking younger than did in AtS during the first few seasons of Bones but he’s missed his window now), and with NB’s unreliability and substance abuse problems. But I still think you could easily sell Netflix the idea of a miniseries focused on just one or two of the characters. Perhaps Disney will try and milk BtVS now that it's taking over 20th Century Fox.

Stoney
10-02-18, 06:46 AM
I would have gone for any of them to be honest (although I agree with vampmogs about the potential problems/limitation on the Faith idea). The high school years comics sound like they have met a little of what Joss was looking to do with the animated series but it's so frustrating to know they are there/written and just waiting. I have to admit I've never read Fray, perhaps I should (I'm normally so completist about these things it's odd I haven't really). I generally like the idea of following other slayers and learning about different characters in the same universe. There is certainly the possibility, and has been speculation in fandom around, a new spin off which follows some of the activated potentials post S7.

I'd love to see something new with the cast now, but it wouldn't be the same without Spike for me and you can't pretend JM looks like he hasn't aged, as good as he does look for 50+. So either some computer youth magic or a supernatural explanation would be needed. So a 'catch up' mini with the original cast would be gold for me but I don't think it will happen.

Silver1
10-02-18, 08:22 AM
I think given enough time eventually they'll be a complete remake of the show and re cast of all the main characters, which weirdly enough I'd be up for.

Yes JM will always be Spike for me, but I'd be curious to see what another actor could come up with.

Sosa lola
10-02-18, 10:24 AM
I'm personally not that invested in Faith's character, but I wouldn't mind any continuation to the story. I feel that an animated series aimed at adults would be our best shot. But it has to be aimed at adults like a lot of japanese animes which have compelling storylines and characters.

Like Kaiji. It's extremely dark and deals with gambling, I highly recommend it.

https://www.anime-planet.com/images/anime/covers/kaiji-1518.jpg?t=1403402514

Sosa lola
10-02-18, 10:26 AM
I think given enough time eventually they'll be a complete remake of the show and re cast of all the main characters, which weirdly enough I'd be up for.

Yes JM will always be Spike for me, but I'd be curious to see what another actor could come up with.

Yes! I don't mind a complete remake of the show. As much as I love BtVS, it's IMO filled with a lot of errors both in storytelling and characterization.

Stoney
10-02-18, 10:45 AM
I'm very anti a total remake. Yes aspects of the show are dated but it still works exceptionally well in my opinion. Any remake will inherently look to change some things but I'd expect, in trying to justify itself, it would try to change too much. Plus, I'm just not in the teeniest bit interested in seeing other people play the characters, not at all. I really would rather they expanded the universe and looked at something new than did anything to disturb or rewrite existing canon.

Priceless
10-02-18, 10:54 AM
I have mixed feeling on a total remake. I would love to see how the storylines and characters were dealt with nowadays, what changes they'd make and what the new actors would bring to it. But I'd also be worried they'd ruin my favourite show :D Especially now Disney own the rights. I know they can do adult stuff, but I'd be worried they would shy away from showing anything that wasn't PC, and things that were left hanging in the original would now have to be discussed and dealt with

vampmogs
10-02-18, 11:35 AM
I wouldn't be all that concerned about Disney. The Marvel Netflix shows go to some pretty dark places and very adult-orientated. BtVS is actually pretty tame by today's standards so I really wouldn't be concerned about the tone of a remake. I'd actually be more concerned that it would air on The CW and have a really dull and forgettable cast like most teen dramas these days. The 90's may have been pretty cheesy but I think the young crop of actors they had back then were a lot more original, individual and talented than what they churn out these days.

I'm in two minds about a reboot. A part of me would be mildly curious to see what they could do with it but I also don't think a reboot is really necessary. There's so many other stories you could tell within the Buffyverse that they could still create a new show without having to revolve it around the original characters.

Priceless
10-02-18, 12:40 PM
I would be disappointed if a reboot was on the CW. I am too old for that channel and am not their target audience. I also find most of the Marvel Netflix shows to be one note, with little psychological depth, apart from Jessica Jones, which is by far the best. I don't enjoy the writing for most of those shows, and feel they lack an individual style or humour, which Whedon, Espenson, Noxon etc. had in spades. I'd be afraid a reboot would miss either the comedy element or the depth of the character development. For the reboot to work all I would really ask for is talented writers and nuanced dialogue and plotting :D

vampmogs
10-02-18, 12:52 PM
Oh I don't disagree. I'm not a fan of the Marvel Netflix shows either (I liked Daredevil S1 well enough and Jessica Jones was ok but I didn't end up finishing it) I was just pointing out that they have a fairly adult and dark tone. I also agree with you about The CW, however, BtVS was originally on The WB/UPN (which later became the The CW) and was actually a teen show so I think if a reboot were to occur it would be marketed as such again. The great thing about the show was that it was a teen drama on a teen-orientated network but that the writing was so good that it transcended that and could appeal to people of all ages.

My preference would be for it to appear on Netflix though. I think it’d allow for more creative freedom and would most likely attract a better cast and crew.

TriBel
10-02-18, 12:58 PM
Oh god sorry, I thought they were dire. :(

I didn't think they were great - I just don't like animations I've seen here. I could have coped with the comics better if the voices had rung true (but they didn't). :s