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Kold

22-12-07, 06:33 AM

I loved Razor. I always thought Cain was one of the best characters the show had ever written, a leader who had really gone past the point of no return without actually being insane. And Razor really solidified my love for the hateful lassie. I love the bit where Fisk is on the Scylla and he calls her and says that there are full families on board, and Cain glances at Gina, all beautiful and bloody, and you can literally see her thinking "no one deserves a family".

Kendra Shaw was an amazing new character, really good. And Nico Cortez, playing the younger version of Adama, was spot on. Loved his acting. Razor was amazing, although it was a bit jarring and perhaps a little less masterfully constructed than usual. Writing wise, it was stunning.

Back to season 3 --
And then the Final Four reveal which is possibly my favorite scene ever. It was just so *intense* I was like hyperventilating.
You're damn right -- the way that the cover of "All Along the Watchtower" was used at the end (eg. finally played) made the climax really, really intense. And
Colonel Tigh is honestly my new hero. After everything that man has done, especially killing his wife for collaborating, and he finds out and says "we do our frakking jobs". My. Hero.

Also -- it's really interesting that those four in particular are apparently Cylons. They were basically the leaders of the Resistance on New Caprica (Tory less in the Resistance part, but more in preparing the people for the Exodus and being a leader for the non-soldiers), which makes things a lot more complicated. Makes you wonder if Roslin isn't the final Cylon.

And to be honest, I was totally on his side because as slimy and weaselly as Baltar is--you kind of can't blame him for what he did on New Caprica. I mean, it didn't really have a choice.
Definitely. Forgetting how dangerous a person Baltar actually is (as he showed in "Taking a Break From All Your Worries" in the scene with Gaeta, and "Dirty Hands" with his novel) what else could he have done? I think Lampkin probably said it right by saying that he was glad that Roslin wasn't president when the Cylons landed. And that scene in "Precipice" when Doral is holding the gun to Baltar's head, and he is clearly so unwilling to sign until Angel!Six convinces him, is really powerful.

Jenni Lou

22-12-07, 06:52 AM

And Nico Cortez, playing the younger version of Adama, was spot on. Loved his acting.

Good call. It was fantastic casting. You could really see a little Edward James Olmos in him, for sure.

Colonel Tigh is honestly my new hero. After everything that man has done, especially killing his wife for collaborating, and he finds out and says "we do our frakking jobs". My. Hero.

Right. And really...what else are they supposed to do? All they know is who they are as human beings. It's going to be interesting to see where their journeys take them next season, to see if any agendas changes or what it is they were meant to do.

Also -- it's really interesting that those four in particular are apparently Cylons. They were basically the leaders of the Resistance on New Caprica (Tory less in the Resistance part, but more in preparing the people for the Exodus and being a leader for the non-soldiers), which makes things a lot more complicated. Makes you wonder if Roslin isn't the final Cylon.

Yeah, I was reading some interviews with Ronald D. Moore and had mentioned something about that....or at least, that these four had somehow gotten into positions of power and how that might play into what that means for them now that they are Cylons. And I guess that makes sense. If Cylons want to infiltrate the human society, the best way to get information would be to have people in th higher ranks. Of course, I don't see how this benefits them if these recently revealed Cylons are not willing to align themselves with who they thought were their enemies.

Wow, that probably made so little sense. Sorry, it's late. :p

I think Lampkin probably said it right by saying that he was glad that Roslin wasn't president when the Cylons landed. And that scene in "Precipice" when Doral is holding the gun to Baltar's head, and he is clearly so unwilling to sign until Angel!Six convinces him, is really powerful.

That's the truth. I adore Roslin and she is willing to make the hard decisions. But in this case, she would have made a wrong one. At least with Baltar at the helms the human race was ale to continue on. If Laura was in that position she very well could have led them to their end. Baltar was right to surrender; he didn't have a choice as evidenced by that intense scene with the gun to his head.

Kold

22-12-07, 07:01 AM

Yeah, I was reading some interviews with Ronald D. Moore and had mentioned something about that....or at least, that these four had somehow gotten into positions of power and how that might play into what that means for them now that they are Cylons. And I guess that makes sense. If Cylons want to infiltrate the human society, the best way to get information would be to have people in th higher ranks. Of course, I don't see how this benefits them if these recently revealed Cylons are not willing to align themselves with who they thought were their enemies.
Well, what's interesting is that the Final Five (not the ones we know, who think of themselves as human) seem to be on a level far above the other Cylons (the ones we know: Six, Sharon, D'Anna, Doral, Cavil, Simon, Leoben), on a different plane, in the "space between life and death". And of course in the dream sequence in "Crossroads, part II", the Final Five look like very sinister figures, drawing Caprica-Six to try to protect Hera.

So it's very possible that the Final Five, through their 'sleepers' could have been trying to disrupt the other seven Cylons. What's also interesting is that in Razor, the aged Hybrid (God, even) had additional dialogue that was cut. One part of it went something along the lines of "the seven, now six, are confused and will tear themselves apart". That already started with D'Anna's fanaticism and subsequent boxing.

Anyway I wonder whether or not the Final Five (the mystical ones, not the sleeper characters) are trying to stop the merging of human and Cylon that began with Hera's birth. Additionally, the "Angel" characters (the Six in Gaius' head, the Gaius in Caprica-Six's head, and the Leoben in Kara's head in her amazing episode) seem to be working for two purposes: to ensure the baby's survival, and to get the humans (and even the seven Cylons) to Earth.

I cannot wait until season 4 -- but I wish it wasn't the last season.

P.S. Thanks for the rep! :D

Jenni Lou

22-12-07, 07:55 AM

Anyway I wonder whether or not the Final Five (the mystical ones, not the sleeper characters) are trying to stop the merging of human and Cylon that began with Hera's birth. n.

ooh, that would be a cool storyline for Tyrol with his son. :) I also read some stuff and Moore won't confirm or deny if there are other hybrids children besides Hera and Nicky. Makes me think you may be onto something there!

P.S. Thanks for the rep! :D

:D After this post I will be up to giving out 42 pnts! :eek:

Well I am off to watch the extras on the Razor DVD now that I won't be spoiled having finished s3. :D

LRae12

23-12-07, 02:25 AM

oooh, I just recently finished watching S3 as well :)

I LOVED the trailer for S4...did somebody mention that we have to wait until March? Gah! That's way too long...But from the trailer it looks like they're trying to hint around that Starbuck is suspected as being the final cylon. I have mixed feelings about that. On the one hand it would make sense that she never got pregnant with hubby since cylons can't reproduce but on the other I'd be royally pissed off. I'm all ready pissed that Chief is a cylon - he was one of my favorites on the show other than Starbuck and Lee.

But whoever it is, I'm guessing it's the one that Deanna apologized to when she saw the last one. So is it someone that she's actually met? Or just a high up figure that she knows of? I SO want to know!

I really did love the finale - and at the time watching S3 when they had the episode that killed off Kara I was so fooled - because I was watching her on Bionic Woman and I just assumed that she left the show. So in the finale when she was flying next to Lee, I about did a backflip I was so excited! She's my favorite character, and I wasn't about to continue to watch the series without her.

Jenni Lou

23-12-07, 03:13 AM

did somebody mention that we have to wait until March? Gah! That's way too long...But from the trailer it looks like they're trying to hint around that Starbuck is suspected as being the final cylon.

I know...much too long! Frak! *pulls hair out*

It seems to be that they have been hinting at Starbuck being the final Cylon for a very long time, what with her "special destiny" and all. And that just makes me think she can't be.

I'm all ready pissed that Chief is a cylon - he was one of my favorites on the show other than Starbuck and Lee.

I knew he was! Don't know why, but I have suspected him since the first season. I have no good reason to back that up. And it's not as if there would be any hints anyway, since I read Moore didn't know himself until halfway through s3.

But whoever it is, I'm guessing it's the one that Deanna apologized to when she saw the last one. So is it someone that she's actually met? Or just a high up figure that she knows of? I SO want to know!

She could have been talking about Tigh because she did apologize....remember...she tortured him on New Caprica.

But yeah, it could be someone else for sure, as well.

I really did love the finale - and at the time watching S3 when they had the episode that killed off Kara I was so fooled - because I was watching her on Bionic Woman and I just assumed that she left the show. So in the finale when she was flying next to Lee, I about did a backflip I was so excited! She's my favorite character, and I wasn't about to continue to watch the series without her.

I have to be honest. I thought there was no way they would kill off that character. Just no way. However, after that episode I was seriously doubting that belief. It is was one good farewell episode. :)

Kold

23-12-07, 03:59 AM

But from the trailer it looks like they're trying to hint around that Starbuck is suspected as being the final cylon.
What would you think if you were Adama or Roslin? That Starbuck just returned from the grave like any old human?

I don't think she's a Cylon. She's too involved in the human mythology (eg. as a representation of the Goddess Aurora) for that. Also, Leoben's assuredness of her destiny, having "seen her path". I'm sure the real Leoben (not the one that guided her in her head in "Maelstrom", who obviously knows everything) does have an inkling of her destiny. If she were one of the Final Five, and the Seven Cylons really have blocked them from memory (as is evident with D'Anna), then how would Leoben know anything about her? But then again, the writers may surprise us yet.

I'm all ready pissed that Chief is a cylon - he was one of my favorites on the show other than Starbuck and Lee.
He's not now that he's a Cylon? It's sad for the character but from our perspective some of the best characters are Cylons. I think that by making those four people Cylons, particularly
Chief and Tigh
the writers are trying to hammer home the idea that the Cylons and humans are so linked together that they'll end up meshing one day.

But whoever it is, I'm guessing it's the one that Deanna apologized to when she saw the last one. So is it someone that she's actually met? Or just a high up figure that she knows of? I SO want to know!
Jenni Lou makes a great point that it could be
Tigh, because of the torture on New Caprica
but it could also be
Anders, because of the way she treated him when they were trapped together in "Downloaded".
But as you said, it could have been any high-up figure along the way.

Jenni Lou

23-12-07, 04:09 AM

Strangely, I think the one I was most chocked to find was Cylon was Anders. I don't have a good explanation for that. I guess that perhaps I just saw him as so divided from the goings-on on Galactica. That he was essentially stranded on a planet before Starbuck had him rescued. That he was a civilian and no so much an officer or politician or anything like that.

As four season four, am glad they are officially adding Michael Trucco to the cast because I have really responded to Anders from the beginning and I was very happy that he wasn't discarded and that he was rescued from the planet he was stuck on. And I just enjoy his character; he's very forward and straight-laced and calls it like he sees it. Plus, he's not bad to look at at all. :lol:

Kold

23-12-07, 05:00 AM

Yeah, I guess the thing about the Final Five is that they could have been anyone... for the Seven, the writers had to follow a strict timeline, eg. their history before a couple of years before the attacks had to be impossible to verify. But presumably the Final Five are so mystical that they've been there all along/they can insert memories, or something, and just rely on destiny to take their sleepers to where they need to be. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Final Five are explained.

I have really responded to Anders from the beginning and I was very happy that he wasn't discarded and that he was rescued from the planet he was stuck on.
What I really like about Anders is his wholehearted belief that Kara's destiny, and the circumstances of both his life and hers, tell him that they're meant to be together. And I think that that maybe has something to do with
the fact that he IS one of the Final Five.

Also, were the people that the young Adama spoke to through the door in Razor Leoben and Six? 'Cos they sure looked like them.

Jenni Lou

23-12-07, 05:12 AM

Also, were the people that the young Adama spoke to through the door in Razor Leoben and Six? 'Cos they sure looked like them.

Ooh, I am glad you brought that up. Because I had even mentioned that to my fiance as we were watching it. I recognized Six more than I did the other one. But I am relieved I am not the only one who thought so. Because I thought that scene might have been specifically designed to show us them as well as the project going on there.

Anyway, I screencapped Razor so I have a few shots from that scene. But looking at it now, it doesn't look like Leoben. But it could perhaps be Six. Maybe. These are like 1200px wide, so I put them in a spoiler tag.

http://black-celebration.net/caps/albums/bsg/razor/RAZOR_1111.jpg

http://black-celebration.net/caps/albums/bsg/razor/RAZOR_1107.jpg

http://black-celebration.net/caps/albums/bsg/razor/RAZOR_1104.jpg

Nikole

23-12-07, 06:21 AM

That is so weird. I thought it was Six & Leoben too when I first watched. But I don't think it is. The skinjobs weren't around yet back then right? I figure they probably *just* started making them. Plus I know that's definitely not Leoben. I spend forever staring at pics/vids of him (lol what?).

The very first time we saw that scene where D'anna apologizes to the glowy white final five before we found out who they were I was convinced it was Anders b/c of the whole Downloaded thing.

I can't believe Ron Moore didn't know he was going to make Chief a cylon from the beginning. He kept on hinting at it with that episode where he kept having strange dreams and then the s3 episode where he heard music and walked to the temple. Although I guess he knew then? That was like sort of middle of s3.

I really really want Billy to be a cylon. Just because I miss him! PLEASE BE THE FINAL CYLON BILLY!

And yeah I am also on the Anders love train. He's awesome. He was actually the one I was least surprised about being a cylon. I dunno. I just always thought it'd be cool if he was a cylon being the resistance leader on Caprica and all.

I read some season 4 spoilers about how Kara is going to be hanging around Leoben a lot more. This makes me crazy happy. They have some great chemistry and more Leoben = Happy me. Plus I want to learn more about him. He seems way different than the other cylons. Notice how he'll pretty much never be around when they're making decisions or anything. He's too busy kidnapping Kara or talking about cryptic streams I guess. And then there was that scene where Six was telling Baltar that they all think the Hybrid is insane but Leoben believes The Hybrid is chilling with God. I dunno.

Jenni Lou

23-12-07, 06:31 AM

The very first time we saw that scene where D'anna apologizes to the glowy white final five before we found out who they were I was convinced it was Anders b/c of the whole Downloaded thing.

I need to rewatch that episode. Because I can't remember it. I watched the first s3 six eps months and months ago. :/

I can't believe Ron Moore didn't know he was going to make Chief a cylon from the beginning. He kept on hinting at it with that episode where he kept having strange dreams and then the s3 episode where he heard music and walked to the temple. Although I guess he knew then? That was like sort of middle of s3.

Yeah, I just read about it the other night in an interview with him. SO I guess he figured it out around the time of that episode.

I really really want Billy to be a cylon. Just because I miss him! PLEASE BE THE FINAL CYLON BILLY!

Dude, I am with you on the Billy love. I was so sad when he died. :cutecry:

And yeah I am also on the Anders love train. He's awesome. He was actually the one I was least surprised about being a cylon. I dunno. I just always thought it'd be cool if he was a cylon being the resistance leader on Caprica and all.

Like Kold had mentioned, it is strange that the three of the four revealed Cylons ended up being an integral part of the Resistance.

I read some season 4 spoilers about how Kara is going to be hanging around Leoben a lot more. This makes me crazy happy. They have some great chemistry and more Leoben = Happy me. Plus I want to learn more about him. He seems way different than the other cylons. Notice how he'll pretty much never be around when they're making decisions or anything. He's too busy kidnapping Kara or talking about cryptic streams I guess. And then there was that scene where Six was telling Baltar that they all think the Hybrid is insane but Leoben believes The Hybrid is chilling with God. I dunno.

Sounds cool. And honestly, I don't care 'cause I just want it to start airing now now now!!!!

Kold

23-12-07, 04:47 PM

Like Kold had mentioned, it is strange that the three of the four revealed Cylons ended up being an integral part of the Resistance.
Four. Rewatching the Exodus episodes, I thought
Tory was just as integral in her way

Haha aww Billy. I miss him but I don't think it's him. :( I also really adore/miss Kat. She was such a fighter.

Speaking of the minor characters, I love Gunny Mathias. She's one of the marines, one of the people Sharon brought down to New Caprica for the Exodus. And she was the one that Lee ordered to point the gun at Anders at the end of The Eye of Jupiter. Haha, random I know, but she's just this awesome minor character who turns up and is a hardcore marine.

Jenni Lou

23-12-07, 08:46 PM

I also really adore/miss Kat. She was such a fighter.

Yeah, she was! But I have to admit that she always rubbed me the wrong way. It wasn't until her final episode that I began to like her. She was just a little too rough and mean for my taste. However I know now that was just her insecurities shinigng through.

Speaking of the minor characters, I love Gunny Mathias. She's one of the marines, one of the people Sharon brought down to New Caprica for the Exodus. And she was the one that Lee ordered to point the gun at Anders at the end of The Eye of Jupiter. Haha, random I know, but she's just this awesome minor character who turns up and is a hardcore marine.

She is totally just on the periphery. Never really involved in too much yet still there. She does have some good potential to be utilized in some later stories, I think. :)

BlasterBoy

16-01-08, 04:37 AM

Oh. My. Gawd.

I just watched the BSG MiniSeries to get into the series, because Jenni made me :p But, I loved it. I gotta admit, the first hour was pretty slow but when the Cylons launched the nuclear strike, it got good. I love most of the characters, but I LOVE Starbuck, Lee, and Sharon (is that her name?). Oh, yes, and the President.

I've got a few questions, though. 1) How is "Number 6" in Baltar's head? (btw, I hate Baltar so damn much!)

And 2) In the last scene (which was SO gasp worthy), why were there three number sixes? AND OMG!

*spoiler, but, then again, this was, like four years ago, so....* Sharon is a CYLON! :eek: WHAT!?

And the end makes sense, I think. There were nine that saved the abandoned Cylon, and then Sharon came out. Eleven, but there were supposed to be twelve. Is that because William Adama killed the twelfth one for good?

Jenni Lou

16-01-08, 05:06 AM

I just watched the BSG MiniSeries to get into the series, because Jenni made me :p But, I loved it. I gotta admit, the first hour was pretty slow but when the Cylons launched the nuclear strike, it got good.

:2party: Right? I know.

1) How is "Number 6" in Baltar's head?

The third season is already over and I still don't know. I honestly think it is something that will be revealed before the series end. There must be a reason.

(btw, I hate Baltar so damn much!)

That will never change! :lol: But he is a cool character 'cause I find him so interesting and pathetic. :p

And 2) In the last scene (which was SO gasp worthy), why were there three number sixes? AND OMG!

Cause Number Six is a Cylon model; she is the number six model. You'll see more about what that means later in more detail. ;)

btw, it's been ages since I watched the miniseries so I forget what the last scene was! :( I think I know but I don't want type it out and accidentally spoil you for something else!

* Sharon is a CYLON! :eek: WHAT!?

I know. It gets much better too! :)

And the end makes sense, I think. There were nine that saved the abandoned Cylon, and then Sharon came out. Eleven, but there were supposed to be twelve. Is that because William Adama killed the twelfth one for good?

:s I'm not sure what you mean. At this point I forget how many cylons have been revealed. I think it's only four or five.

At any rate, as of the end of season three, the mystery of who the 12th cylon is remains unanswered. And four more were revealed in the last episode of s3. So as of the last ep, we know 11 cylon models.

BlasterBoy

16-01-08, 05:11 AM

The third season is already over and I still don't know. I honestly think it is something that will be revealed before the series end. There must be a reason.

Well, they'll have to reveal it sooner or later.

That will never change! :lol: But he is a cool character 'cause I find him so interesting and pathetic. :p

:lol: He's so stupid.

Cause Number Six is a Cylon model; she is the number six model. You'll see more about what that means later in more detail. ;)

btw, it's been ages since I watched the miniseries so I forget what the last scene was! :( I think I know but I don't want type it out and accidentally spoil you for something else!

Oh! So, you mean, three of the models took the same body?

And, the last scene was when they kicked out the person they thought the Cylon was (he was the Cylon), and then the Cylons knock down the big doors and come through. It's three of the number six bodies, three of the person that Adama killed, and three of some other random person. That makes nine Cylon models. Plus, the one they're saving right then. Then Sharon walks out and is a Cylon (I think). That means there are eleven Cylon models there. But, I think the twelfth one is dead because Adama killed one, and he said the poison thing stopped him from moving onto another body.

:s I'm not sure what you mean. At this point I forget how many cylons have been revealed. I think it's only four or five.

At any rate, as of the end of season three, the mystery of who the 12th cylon is remains unanswered. And four more were revealed in the last episode of s3. So as of the last ep, we know 11 cylon models.

I tried to answer that one above :o

Jenni Lou

16-01-08, 05:27 AM

Oh, I see what you mean. Okay....

By model, I mean their physicality. Like, there are twelve models but lord knows how many actual "people" walking around. So Number Six and all the other ones that looks like her are one model of humanoid Cylon.

And yeah...Sharon is a Cylon. ;)

BlasterBoy

16-01-08, 10:22 PM

OH! Gotcha ;) So, there could be millions of Cylons walking around, but once they know what twelve of them look like, they're set. So, right now, we know only four. (well, after the MiniSeries). Thanks for clearing that up!:hug:

I'll rent Disc 2 in a few days :D

Jenni Lou

17-01-08, 12:10 AM

Yeah, exactly. I was afraid I wasn't explaining it well. :lol:

Yeah, it's cool because you slowly find out new Cylon models. I am still reeling from the reveal of the last four! And I totally wonder who the 12th is and if we have even met the character before. :)

BlasterBoy

17-01-08, 12:13 AM

Jenni Lou

17-01-08, 03:22 AM

Well, here's a spoiler for you guys waiting for s4 that I probably shouldn't have seen :lol:

In Entertainment Magazine, they had a page on BSG and they had a cast photo with 9 groups/people, including the four revealed Cylons (don't worry, I didn't look to see which people were the Cylons ;)) and other people. They had a tenth part of the picture: an empty glass. They say that empty glass is the last Cylon. Here's the spoiler:

It said that it means that the OTHER people that are in the picture ARE NOT the Cylons. Some of the people in the picture are Starbuck, Sharon, Helo, Saul, The President, Lee, William Amada, Number Six, Baltar, etc.

Yeah, I saw this the other day at my sisters condo. It was a realy great pic with some neat and subtle info. I can't wait to scan. /geek

Nonetheless, the fourth Cylon can still be someone we have met who isn't in that pic. The BSG cast is pretty big when you bring in all the supporting players...it should be interesting!!!! I am so s excited for both Lost and BSG to return with new eps! :heart:

LRae12

17-01-08, 04:32 AM

I am so s excited for both Lost and BSG to return with new eps! :heart:

hmmmm, I know when Lost is starting, but any word on when BSG will be back with the 4th season?

and yay for Ben getting hooked on the series...:hug:

Jenni Lou

17-01-08, 04:37 AM

hmmmm, I know when Lost is starting, but any word on when BSG will be back with the 4th season?

and yay for Ben getting hooked on the series...:hug:

No specific date yet but it will be in either March or April. The s3 DVDs are coming on March 25 as well.

BlasterBoy

17-01-08, 10:30 PM

Still need to rent Disc 2 :(

Laurie and Jenni, I'm pretty sure the return date is April 4th, but I may be thinking of a different show.

Jenni Lou

20-01-08, 11:25 PM

I scanned that EW pic you were referring to, Ben. IN case anyone else wanted to check it out:

http://black-celebration.net/caps/albums/scans/011808//bsg4/normal_S4BSG_EW001.jpg (http://black-celebration.net/caps/displayimage.php?pos=-494951)

LRae12

21-01-08, 02:39 AM

hmmmm, very interesting picture, and some neat 'clues' about S4....so the question then/now becomes who the heck is missing? :lol:

I'm most intrigued by the pic of Chief with the knife....am I getting the hint that Chief will try to kill his own child? Is that what Moore was inferring? Or am I the only one who had that thought from that pic?

Jenni Lou

21-01-08, 02:57 AM

I'm most intrigued by the pic of Chief with the knife....am I getting the hint that Chief will try to kill his own child? Is that what Moore was inferring? Or am I the only one who had that thought from that pic?

No, I thought that too. And then there is the clue about Helo and Sharon looking at someone at the table. It makes sense if they were looking at the Chief because they feared for their own child as well. I also read something the actor who plays the Chief said and it seems to infer this similar thought.

Nikole

21-01-08, 07:50 AM

Jenni Lou

21-01-08, 09:01 PM

But it says Helo & Athena are looking at someone across the table. I think it's either Six or the new #6 model Natalie. Actually Sharon looks like she's looking at Six and Helo looks like he's looking at Natalie. If you look closely at their eyes/eyeline I don't thnk it could be Chief. I think it looks like they're looking past him.

I do agree that it seems likely Chief might try to kill his child. But I don't know. Maybe instead he tries to kill Cally (pleasegodyes) because SHE tried to kill the kid. She hates cylons like woah.

Also it looks like Tigh's looking at whoever the missing cylon is supposed to be. GAETA! That's my theory anyway. It would make a lot of sense with the other 4 being resistance leaders. Gaeta was important to the resistance by passing information to them.

1. Yeah, I hear you. But I was looking at eyelines. At any rate, speculate is all we can do because the photo was intended to be ambiguous.

2. Dude, I have been thinking that Gaeta was a Cylon for a seriously loooong time. But I never pieced together that he was an integral part of the Resistance too. Crazy. Good call! :xd

Regarding the last Cylon, the newest TvGuide had a quote from the SciFi exec vp of programming:

It's going to surprise a lot of people. The reveal will have great emotional resonance and will make things that happened in the first three seasons click into place and make more sense."

Gaeta totally fits in a few ways.

BlasterBoy

08-02-08, 03:16 AM

Updating my thoughts.

Where I am is I have just finished 1.08 "Flesh and Bone" which was really interesting. IMO, it's really shaping into being an amazing show. I didn't love the two parter about Starbuck even though I love her, and the first three episodes were good, but didn't make me go ooh or aah. BUT, "Litmus" and "Flesh and Bone" were the two episodes that I adored and made me realize that this show can kick ass! Keep it up!

OkinawanSteel

14-02-08, 01:15 AM

We'll, since there's been some squeeing in other threads recently about the upcoming series, I thought I'd bump this and try to get a discussion going.

Question: Which character's arc are you most excited about heading into the new season?

It's a really tough one, because just about every character has got a big storyline coming off the heels of the S3 finale. I think I have to go with the obvious and say Starbuck. She's probably my favourite character, (this is a show where I kind of love everyone, though. Except Baltar, little gobshite) and I think her revelation might have been the most startling of all. Obviously, what exactly happened to her is the most pertinent question right now. I really can't wait to see what Katee Sackhoff does with this material too. Great actress, in my book, and from the S4 promo, it certainly looks like fans of hers are in for a treat.

Re-watching the last couple of episodes really drew me back into Roslin's plight as well. Fingers crossed for the Prez.

The other thing I'm also really looking forward to is:
D'Anna (Number Three)'s return. Her character was one of the highlights for me in S3. Although, my favourite episode involving her is still "Downloaded", which is just awesome. You know that as soon as she gets unboxed she's gonna stir up some major trouble. :D

Another question: Have you watched the Razor movie yet? Impressions? Reactions?

Jenni Lou

14-02-08, 02:16 AM

Question: Which character's arc are you most excited about heading into the new season?

Starbuck is the obvious one but to be honest, she was never a fave character of mine. Nonetheless, I am really intrigued about what happened her and what the deal withEarth is. And because of what happened in Razor....we know that the crew isn't going to be completely open to trusting her.

And on a sidenote, in the last scene of S3....she was acting weird. Just the way she says "Hi, Lee." I don't know....it always felt a little odd to me. Although given the context, I suppose that makes sense. ANyway....

I think I am most looking forward to Tigh...and Anders, now that he has become a regular. I always really liked his character since we first met him and now that we know about him more....yeah....love it! Tigh too....he';s had some interesting storylines over the seasons.

Re-watching the last couple of episodes really drew me back into Roslin's plight as well. Fingers crossed for the Prez.

Word on that. Mary rules. She is a highlight of the overall series. Here and Edward really bring a tremendous presence to the cast, imo.

The other thing I'm also really looking forward to is:
D'Anna (Number Three)'s return. Her character was one of the highlights for me in S3. Although, my favourite episode involving her is still "Downloaded", which is just awesome. You know that as soon as she gets unboxed she's gonna stir up some major trouble. :D

:err: I hadn't read that. I had no idea about the return. But I haven't checked spoilers in a month or so. Should be cool!

Another question: Have you watched the Razor movie yet? Impressions? Reactions?

On the one hand, I was excited to have some new BSG. On the other hand, it felt largely filler. Which I guess was somewhat of the point. But it had some nice moments. I'm just looking forward to S4 now. wooo!

OkinawanSteel

14-02-08, 11:46 AM

I think I am most looking forward to Tigh...and Anders, now that he has become a regular. I always really liked his character since we first met him and now that we know about him more....yeah....love it! Tigh too....he';s had some interesting storylines over the seasons.

I've never cared much for Anders, but Tigh is definitely going to be fascinating. There aren't many people more anti-Cylon than him.

Word on that. Mary rules. She is a highlight of the overall series. Here and Edward really bring a tremendous presence to the cast, imo.

QFT. She's just sublime.

:err: I hadn't read that. I had no idea about the return. But I haven't checked spoilers in a month or so. Should be cool!

I haven't read any detailed spoilers about it, but Ron Moore said in an interview that she'll be back for at least three or so episodes around mid-season, and the events surrounding her unboxing will set the direction for the second half of the season. It's got to be to do with what she knows about the Final Five.

Another particularly interesting spoiler:
I heard that apparently Caprica Six is going to fall in love with someone other than Baltar. After learning what we did about the Gina Inviere Six model, I guess the field of potential partners has been blown wide open.

I really love Six. Does anybody else find it hard to root for the humans all the time when the Cylon women are so bloody brilliant?

On the one hand, I was excited to have some new BSG. On the other hand, it felt largely filler. Which I guess was somewhat of the point. But it had some nice moments. I'm just looking forward to S4 now. wooo!

Yeah, I agree. I was slightly disappointed with it overall. I'm a huge Admiral Cain fan, but honestly apart from the nature of her relationship with Gina, we didn't learn anything we didn't know before. As one of the leads of the film, I was really expecting them to uncover more about her, and I don't feel they really did. I thought Kendra was a good character, and by the end of the film, I'd got behind her, but if they weren't going to do anything of much substance with Cain, why not give Kendra more screentime so we care about her more?

On the other hand, there was some nice stuff with Kara and Lee. It's nice to have a reminder of why we should want them to get together. The climax of the film was great, and really got me fired up for S4. I got a giggle out of seeing the old Cylons too. :lol:

It was a mixed bag, but more BSG = yes please, so I'm not complaining.

More questions:
What is your favourite season/episode?

Do you ship a couple on BSG? Or just have one you particularly like?

Nikole

14-02-08, 04:52 PM

Re: OkinawanSteel's particularily interesting spoiler.

Caprica Six is going to fall in love with Anders.

I liked Razor. I thought the main character Kendra was really interesting. She had some amazing chemistry with like everyone. Especially Lee & Kara. And although after it I was confused as hell (The Guardian, The Hybrid thingy, and whatever was going on with Young!Adama) I just went and read about it all online lol.

My favorite season is 2 but I love them all to death. Favorite episodes are Flesh & Bone, Home Pt1&2, Maelstrom, Crossroads Pt2, Exodus, and probably more I'm forgetting.

I ship a few couples. My main one being Kara/Lee followed very closely by Kara/Leoben. Also I like Kara/Anders, Lee/Anders, & Helo/Sharon.

OkinawanSteel

14-02-08, 05:31 PM

Caprica Six is going to fall in love with Anders.

Oh, really. I had a feeling that it would be one of the newly revealed Cylons, but Six/Anders? Doesn't do anything for me. At least it gets him away from Starbuck though, I guess.

By the way, does anybody have any more information on this new Six copy, Natalie? I'm interested to know what she's going to be up to.

To answer my own questions, I don't really have favourites, it's all so good. There's only a few episodes that I feel are below the quality of the rest of the show, and those are the more standalone ones the Sci-Fi channel kept demanding (apparently they've given up on that idea in S4 though, thankfully). I think Battlestar is the most consistantly high quality show I've ever watched. If I had to pick a season, I'd go with S2. As for one episode, that's way too hard, but I'll go with "Downloaded" for now, as I mentioned it earlier. Some of the Cylon characters (Boomer, Caprica Six, D'Anna, mainly) are among my favourites, so I loved that we got an episode focusing on them and the whole Cylon mythology is fascinating.

As for ships, I don't really ship in any fandom, but I do have some preferences. I like the standard Roslin/Adama and Starbuck/Apollo ships, but I wouldn't be bothered if neither ended up together. Kara/Lee does need a resolution either way, definitely. As for Roslin/Adama, I just love them together. Whether they really go there or not, they need to share plenty of scenes.

More obscure ships I like: Racetrack/Helo. Ever since I heard the story of Leah and Tahmoh reading fic at a party and Leah incorporating that into the way she plays 'track, I think about them every time she's on the screen (which is seriously not often enough) Racetrack jealousy towards Athena is fun too.

I kinda like Six/Three too (Caprica/D'Anna, I think, whichever two were shacked up with Baltar on the basestar.). That's stuck with me since the menage a trois scene. I don't know why they didn't have Six in the middle there, because I thought it was obvious that she was the middle player in that threesome. Lucy Lawless is spectacularly slashtastic.

Of the other ships around, I not keen on Six/Baltar, but I think that's mainly because I don't like him much. Cheif/Cally is okay, it's just kind of there and Helo/Sharon is cool. I don't care for Lee/Dualla or Starbuck/Anders. The Tighs were pretty great too.

Jenni Lou

14-02-08, 09:57 PM

More questions:
What is your favourite season/episode?

Do you ship a couple on BSG? Or just have one you particularly like?

Well, I watched every season in a long marathon so they are all pretty jumbled together for me. I can hardly remember what ep is what. So I can't answer definitively. As for fave season, I think I will go with two. Great development on the mythology and expansion on characters. Lots of action taking place in different places. All great stuff!

As for ships, I don't really ship in any fandom, but I do have some preferences.

I am absolutely the same way. I put my faith in the writers. That said, I also have preferences but I am an equal opportunity non-shipper. :D Although in BSG, I'm not a big shipper because the story is so dense and rich....the relationships just have a wonderful sort of flowing quality to them.

As for Roslin/Adama, I just love them together. Whether they really go there or not, they need to share plenty of scenes.

Yes. They have a lovely dynamic--romantic or otherwise. It's nice to see it explored in any realm.

Lucy Lawless is spectacularly slashtastic.

:lol: She must have something written about slash in her contracts. :p

I not keen on Six/Baltar, but I think that's mainly because I don't like him much.

I don't like Baltar but I like the character. He brings something different to the table in the ensemble. As for Six/Baltar....I don't necessarily ship them, but I am hugely intrigued by their relationship. What is it? Why does he see/hear her? And why does another Six model see/hear him? It's so peculiar. I am very interested in finding out what that dela is all about. I sure hope we do before it is over!!! There must be a reason for this strange communication/hallucination.

BlasterBoy

14-02-08, 10:19 PM

For me, I've only seen up to the Season 1 episode with Saul's wife :roll: :lol: But, my favorite so far is definitely "Flesh and Bone". So exciting and amazing.

As far as ships go, I really like Helo/Sharron. Lee/Starbuck isn't bad, either.

OkinawanSteel

14-02-08, 11:48 PM

:lol: She must have something written about slash in her contracts. :p

Absolutely. ;)

You know, it's something of a phenomenon I've noticed with certain actresses. You put them in a scene with a guy and it's...meh, the chemistry can go either way (like most other actresses in that respect) but stick them opposite just about any woman and the chemistry goes off the charts. It's quite hilarious, actually.

Xena is solely responsible for my femslash awareness. I used to watch it back in the day, when I was much younger, and the slashiness in that show was so obvious it almost jumps out of the screen and pummels you until you submit to the idea. As a result, I seem to have a filter in my subconscious that automatically registers femslashy subtext. I can still be pretty dense when it comes to slash with the guys, but I'm working on it. :D

I've got to say, I thought Lucy was a great casting choice. Nobody does psychotic glee quite like her. I heard that they approached her about being a regular, but she was unavailable due to filming the Football Wives pilot, that was also looking like it was going to take off. 'Tis a big shame, if you ask me. I think she really added something to the show in the S3.

I don't like Baltar but I like the character. He brings something different to the table in the ensemble. As for Six/Baltar....I don't necessarily ship them, but I am hugely intrigued by their relationship. What is it? Why does he see/hear her? And why does another Six model see/hear him? It's so peculiar. I am very interested in finding out what that dela is all about. I sure hope we do before it is over!!! There must be a reason for this strange communication/hallucination.

Oh yeah, I feel the same way. He's an intriguing character, but at the same time, I just want him to get what's coming to him. He's such a weasel. I understand the Baltar/Six ship's place in the storyline too, but I've never really gotten into it. I honestly don't buy that they are/were in love either. Actually, at this point, I think Six is too good for Baltar. When someone deems you unworthy of a formerly genocidal, baby-neck-snapping robo-babe, I think it's time you took a look in a mirror, mate.

But then, I guess I'm one to talk. I like Six/Three, possibly the only ship more twisted than B/6. Surely, someone who is also a genocidal skinjob, with an additional messiah complex and death wish to boot, is the ideal partner for her!

Head Six is extremely interesting, but Six's Head Baltar totally trumped it for me. I actually jumped off my chair and ran towards the TV pointing like a maniac at that revelation.

Jenni Lou

15-02-08, 02:56 AM

I can still be pretty dense when it comes to slash with the guys, but I'm working on it. :D

:lol: Good on you, then! But the femslash definitely always sticks out more for me too, regardless of fandom.

I've got to say, I thought Lucy was a great casting choice. Nobody does psychotic glee quite like her. I heard that they approached her about being a regular, but she was unavailable due to filming the Football Wives pilot, that was also looking like it was going to take off. 'Tis a big shame, if you ask me. I think she really added something to the show in the S3.

Ah, yes. And that pilot wasn't even picked up. Although I hear they are retooling it for a possibility the next season instead....

He's such a weasel.

I just had to comment and say whenever I discuss him, that is always the first word I use to describe him! :p He totally, totally is. He's utterly pathetic and cowardly as well. :bleh:

Head Six is extremely interesting, but Six's Head Baltar totally trumped it for me. I actually jumped off my chair and ran towards the TV pointing like a maniac at that revelation.

You are not alone. That was definitely WTF? moment! I need to know what these head games are about.

Alucard

19-02-08, 08:30 PM

I've been doing a BSG marathon the past few weeks. I'd forgotten how good this show was. Needed to refresh my memory for April 4th. When would be the best time to watch Razor. I've just started re-watching Season 3 and I wondered if it would be best to watch it now or after the S3 finale.

I really love Six. Does anybody else find it hard to root for the humans all the time when the Cylon women are so bloody brilliant?

I think the Cylons are some of the best characters in the programme. I like Athena/Eight, Six and Leoben. Can't wait to see what some of the Final Five will be like now they know they're Cylons. Three is awesome. When I first saw Final Cut it drove me mad where I'd seen the actress playing D'Anna Biers before and then I looked on IMDB to see who it was. I didn't recognise her at all. Haven't seen Xena for ages the last two seasons I know nothing about except for her dying which someone told me about years ago.

As for couples I like Helo/Athena, Roslin/Adama and Kara/Anders. I don't care too much for Lee/Dualla. Favourite Season so far would have to be either 2 or 3. Favourite episodes would have to be "You can't go home again", "Flesh and Bone", "Home parts 1 & 2", "Downloaded", "Unfinished Business", "Rapture" and "Crossroads"

Jenni Lou

19-02-08, 09:29 PM

When would be the best time to watch Razor. I've just started re-watching Season 3 and I wondered if it would be best to watch it now or after the S3 finale.

I think it would be best to watch it after. Only because it was made after it and is technically two season four episodes. They are just stand alone episodes, really. :/ At least, according to online guides. It's largely flashbacks but it has some interesting information regarding some of what's coming in S4.

I actually watching Razor before I saw the last half of s3 and while it didn't really spoil me too much for anything, I later thought I should have just waited. But I don't know if it matters either way. :p

When I first saw Final Cut it drove me mad where I'd seen the actress playing D'Anna Biers before and then finding out it was Lucy Lawless. I didn't recognise her at all.

I've never really watched Xena, but of course I had seen Lucy everywhere because of it. But I have to agree. Lucy looks so different in other roles outside Xena. Maybe it's the warrior outfit! :D But I've seen her do guest spots on a few shows and she just looks so much better than she did on Xena, imo! She's very beautiful. But the Xena bit didn't do much for me. :/

I don't care too much for Lee/Dualla.

Yeah, I really liked the whole Billy possibility. I really liked him. :( "Sacrafice" is still a top ep of mine. (Dana Delaney was excellent in that ep! :)) And the Lee/Dee ship seems to have resulted from those fractured relationships and the craziness of New Caprica. To me, it was a relationship born of desperation and the need for companionship. Perhaps more on Lee's part. Dee certainly had harbored feelings for him for some time.

OkinawanSteel

19-02-08, 09:39 PM

I think the Cylons are some of the best characters in the programme. I like Athena/Eight, Six and Leoben. Can't wait to see what some of the Final Five will be like now they know they're Cylons. Three is awesome. When I first saw Final Cut it drove me mad where I'd seen the actress playing D'Anna Biers before and then finding out it was Lucy Lawless. I didn't recognise her at all. Haven't seen Xena for ages the last two seasons I know nothing about except for her dying which someone told me about years ago.

As for couples I like Helo/Athena, Roslin/Adama and Kara/Anders. I don't care too much for Lee/Dualla. Favourite Season so far would have to be either 2 or 3. Favourite episodes would have to be "You can't go home again", "Flesh and Bone", "Home parts 1 & 2", "Downloaded", "Unfinished Business", "Rapture" and "Crossroads"

Leoben's pretty cool, but it's all about Three, Six and Eight for me. I can't wait to see more Boomer especially. The male Cylons have had a lot less focus though. I guess that'll change now with Anders, Chief and Tigh.

Heh. I don't blame you for not recognizing LL, she looks vastly different with blonde hair. I watched Xena when I was younger, only early last year did I discover it again. They still show the repeats over here, and I was feeling nostalgic, so I had a watch. Word of advice, avoid the last two episodes like a plague. By far the worst finale I can recall seeing.

I really need to have a marathon before the new season starts. What date is it back? I keep getting it confused with the dates of the specials.

By the way, I don't know if this has come up before, but I read this and was intrigued by it, so I'd thought I'd share.

Starbuck theory:
What if Starbuck is the Arrow of Apollo, metaphorically speaking....

Arrows throughout history have had the unique distinction of being both weapons and guides. In times of war, they have been used as weapons to slay the enemy, for travellers they have been used to provide directions, or show a way, hence Starbuck.

Kara/Starbuck has been trained to be a weapon, she was used by Lee/Apollo to slay the enemy, the Cylons, now with her return, she is now the guide to lead travellers to Earth. If you look at the design of a viper, it is triangular in nature, just like an arrowhead. When Starbuck is in combat she is striking down the enemy just like an arrow, now in her viper she will be pointing the way to Earth, just like a directional arrow.

You shoot an arrow from a bow, in this case the Galactica shoots out its viper (which look like arrows) from the launch bays.

Roslin said in Seasons 1 & 2 that the Arrow of Apollo will lead the fleet to Earth. Starbuck went back to Caprica to get the Arrow of Apollo, then she returned to Kobol & when the tomb of Athena was opened, she placed the Arrow in Sagatarion's bow, which then gave them some direction to take or to look for in finding Earth.

Throughout the series so far alot of metaphorical references have been used to describe the 13th tribes route to Earth. What if 4000 years ago there was a person that was both a warrior and a guide that lead the 13th tribe to Earth. What if when a group of the 13th tribe when they returned to Kobol to let the other know where they were, forged an arrow so as to guide the others should they decide to follow. They forged a weapon to act as a guide.

The Arrow of Apollo shall lead the way to Earth....

Food for thought. Theorizing BSG stuff tends to give me brain ache though. It's so complex.

Alucard

19-02-08, 10:22 PM

Yeah, I really liked the whole Billy possibility. I really liked him. "Sacrafice" is still a top ep of mine. (Dana Delaney was excellent in that ep! ) And the Lee/Dee ship seems to have resulted from those fractured relationships and the craziness of New Caprica. To me, it was a relationship born of desperation and the need for companionship. Perhaps more on Lee's part. Dee certainly had harbored feelings for him for some time.

I thought Dee/Billy worked pretty well too. Sacrifice was a great episode with some interesting turns. Interesting to see how far each person would go to protect someone they love. Billy for Dee, Starbuck for Lee and Adama risking their lives by giving them Boomer's body

Leoben's pretty cool, but it's all about Three, Six and Eight for me. I can't wait to see more Boomer especially. The male Cylons have had a lot less focus though. I guess that'll change now with Anders, Chief and Tigh.

I really like Eights character both Boomer and Athena. I liked the union between Caprica Six and Boomer in Downloaded. It's been so long since I've seen Season 3 I've forgotten most of it :(. One of the things I like about Athena is how she is completely aware of herself, has no hidden programming and makes her own choices. I'm pretty sure its April 4th in America. I'm sure if what the british air date for Season 4 will be.

On the topic of characters. Is anyone else a fan of Starbuck?. Katee is a fantastic actress.

Thats a really interesting theory. I know how you feel. I love how complex and deep the show can be.

BlasterBoy

23-02-08, 02:56 AM

Jenni Lou

23-02-08, 03:28 AM

New S4 promos, omgZ! I uploaded them for y'all to check out.

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Nikole

23-02-08, 06:05 AM

When I first saw those I spazzed out. They're all so hot! Especially Anders! YUM.

Alucard

23-02-08, 11:24 AM

Holy crapo.

So, let's recap how Season 1 ended: Good Cylon Sharon #2 is having a child with Helo on Caprica and now Starbuck is with them, and she knows Sharon is a cylon. Good Cylon Sharon #1 just finds out she's a cylon and shoots Captain Adama....twice. Lee gets arrested for sticking up for Roslin, who also gets arrested. Meanwhile, back on Caprica, one of the Number Sixes has a child, also Baltar's (I think), and they are kissing, happily. WTF!?

That finale blew my mind. I do not have enough thoughts at the moment to comprehend all this, but....wow!

Glad to see you enjoyed it Ben. Season two is just as good maybe even better than the first series. Battlestar Galactica is really good at cliffhanger finales. I remember when I first saw the finale to Season 1. I couldn't wait to watch the next eps.

Thanks Jenni Lou:hug:.For uploading those awesome promos. I can't wait to make some art with them.

OkinawanSteel

23-02-08, 01:27 PM

This show has such a *thud*-worthy cast. Those pictures are awesome. Starbuck and Three are looking especially badass, and Lee looks drool-inducingly good in that suit. No Roslin/Adama picture though? *shakes fist angrily*

At least they put the Cylon gals together for me. :)

P.S. I hate Baltar's new outfit.

Jenni Lou

23-02-08, 05:44 PM

Even some more promos got released. I love these!!!!

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Jenni Lou

01-04-08, 09:23 PM

Season four starts on Friday and oh!my!gods!yay!

Has anyone seen the eight minute BSG recap? You can check it out on the official site: http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

It's really awesome. The same firm put together a Lost recap as well a few months back. They are really well done and fast and you just have to check it out. The firm is putting together a recap for Grey's Anatomy next, I read.

Risa

01-04-08, 10:31 PM

Jenni Lou

01-04-08, 10:55 PM

The final five cylons were a long kept secret. Season three showed us four of the five. I was shocked when they were revealed. Well now season four starts on Friday and I want to know...Who do you think is the last cylon to be revealed? Are we going to stare at the screen with our mouths hanging open for an hour or are we going to say, "who is that"?

I have no idea who it is but Ronald D. Moore did recently say in an interview that it is not any of the core characters. What that means is probably open to speculation though.

I honestly don't even have a theory on it. Starbuck and Baltar seem to be obvious choices so I doubt it would be one of them.

I bet they will make it Earth and we will discover that WE, the viewing audience, are the final Cylon. :lol:

j/k ... kinda. :p

Nikole

02-04-08, 06:35 PM

RE: The Final Cylon

My money's on Gaeta. It just fits. He's not really a core character (he's not part of the big eight which is what I assume RDM meant by core) And he was a big part of the Cylon resistance as were the other 4 revealed.

But secretly I'm wishing Billy was a cylon just so I could see him again lol.

Or I'm just completely off and the final cylon is *drumroll* ...... GARY COLEMAN. *is caffeinated beyond insanity*

Jenni Lou

02-04-08, 08:19 PM

RE: The Final Cylon

My money's on Gaeta. It just fits. He's not really a core character (he's not part of the big eight which is what I assume RDM meant by core) And he was a big part of the Cylon resistance as were the other 4 revealed.

But secretly I'm wishing Billy was a cylon just so I could see him again lol.

Yeah, I agree. I would put a big hunk of money on Gaeta as well. I, too, think it just fits.

aww, Billy! :heart: I love him so. I write this as I ahve Sacrafice playing in the background right now!!

LRae12

02-04-08, 11:11 PM

I honestly can't even begin to speculate as to who the final cylon is....I've always held with the theory that earth's population is going to turn out to be made up of cylons, because of the God vs. gods thing, so that could be the 5th? Probably not....I'm just so hyper that the show is finally starting up again...:xd

Risa

03-04-08, 12:23 AM

I agree with LRae with the theory that Earth is just going to be full of cylons. My husband have often talked about that. It would suck majorly if Earth is a homeworld of just cylons.
My husband also seems to think that the maybe the 5th unknown cylon is Billy. That would be cool. He was a good character. I'm gonna throw my hat in and say that Starbuck is the 5th cylon. Why? I have no fracking idea. BTW, LRae, I am uber jealous of your sig banner. Now I must go create one for myself.

LRae12

03-04-08, 12:57 AM

Jenni Lou

03-04-08, 01:44 AM

:hug: thanks Risa

ok, slightly off topic...but has anybody else had a total squee over Jamie Bamber's voice? I so :heart: his accent! It's ridiculously sexy...and I think he pulls off the American accent superbly! There aren't many actors/actress who can do this well without sounding like they're talking softly...the only other actor that I've heard that can do it as well is Damian Lewis.

Ok [/random]

Totally true. His American accent is just spot on. You would never know he wasn't American, in fact. I didn't know that when I originally started watching the show. Hugh Laurie is another one who does a great accent. :)

Nikole

03-04-08, 03:49 AM

I'm right there with you. I wish they would've let Lee be English so we could hear his accent. Although I guess that'd make no sense seeing as how Adama's not English lol. I love it when h sometimes breaks accent on BSG. He always says BEAN instead of bin (for the word been) and it cracks me up every time. *is easily amused*

Jenni Lou

03-04-08, 03:56 AM

:lol:

That's excusable though. It's kinda like a Firefly universe in that the human race is sort of scattered and there are remnants of other cultures and whatnot, if you know what I mean. Wow, I sound dumb now. I've spent too much time time cleaning and playing with baby today. But I think the gist of my point is there. Where is it said that everyone on Caprica had American accents? :lol:

I do like when I hear a little glimmer of one's accent in their roles though. I also get a little kick out of it myself. :D

Kaleido Katie

09-04-08, 03:34 AM

Jenni Lou

09-04-08, 03:51 AM

Roslin because, well, the final 4 we saw so far are so ironic. Since they have all done so much to fight for humaity. Roslin is like the top dog in the fight to save every human life possible. And I started to question the blood from Hera curing her cancer (temporarily it seems!). What if it wasn't the cylon blood in Hera that cured her, but the human/cylon mix.

That and the fact that she seems to be sharing dreams/vision with one of the Sixes and Sharon/Athena. It's not far fetched at all. I don't think it is her though.

As for Starbuck (:heart:) the only thing I can think of at the moment is that she somehow went through another dimension and that's how she ended up with a new ship and the time difference. Maybe Earth doesn't even exist in their reality. Might be too far fetched, but that's all I can come up with so far. :lol: And if she was a cylon, wouldn't her tattoos be gone? I would think being downloaded into a new body it wouldn't have the tattoos she had on her old one. Just a thought.

To be honest I haven't given it much thought. I loved the s4 premiere...a lot. And I love all those little twists it had like Starbuck's viper being unscratched and apparently brand new as well the significant time difference that has occurred. I'm not sure what it all means. And neither does Starbuck, obviously...she seemed to have some strange theories of her own. But alternate dimension? I hadn't considered it until your post. On the one hand, it makes sense. On the other hand....the series has never made any kind of comment about the idea of it being a possibility. I don't know....I just love to watch it all unfold!!!!!! :2party:

Oh, and I have the promo ep stills for the first 4 eps. ;)

4x01 He That Believeth In Me

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4x02 Six of One

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4x03 The Ties That Bind

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4x04 Escape Velocity

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BlasterBoy

09-04-08, 03:53 AM

I'm finished 2.04 just recently, and I'm loving it. Did Tigh bring up martial law!? :eek: This is all so interesting, but my favorite so far is "Valley of Darkness". I really hope the Caprica storyline ends soon, though. Been going on for a season and a half.

btw, didn't 4x01 air on Friday? So, don't you already know who the fifth Cylon is?

Jenni Lou

09-04-08, 04:03 AM

btw, didn't 4x01 air on Friday? So, don't you already know who the fifth Cylon is?

Yes, it did air. No, we don't know the final cylon. I hear it will be revealed somewhere around halfway through the season.

Kaleido Katie

09-04-08, 04:16 AM

That and the fact that she seems to be sharing dreams/vision with one of the Sixes and Sharon/Athena. It's not far fetched at all. I don't think it is her though.
Yea! There's that too. Though whenever she has those visions, I never really thought about her being a cylon because of it. Just that something significant happens.

I'm not so sure my other dimension idea is right either. Since like you said, there has been no clues in the show that anything like that would happen. It's just the only thing I could think of in my utter confusion! :lol:

Did you get those shots from BSG media? I love that place to death. Though I wish they would bring back the older HQ images from the later seasons again. I should have saved them. I try not to look at the episode promos until they air, since I try not to spoil myself. :xd And my Starbuck tattoo theory has yet to be revealed, because since she's been back (and in all the shots you posted) she doesn't show any skin. So that's got me wondering now. The only thing I could go by were the posed promo shots from this season:
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3473/normalbsgms407vl6.jpg

Jenni Lou

09-04-08, 04:30 AM

Did you get those shots from BSG media?

No. I'm an avid picture collector--if my website is any indication :lol:--and I have various places I pick up stuff at. I don't go to BSG Media very often because I have caps of every episode and everything on my site already, so I am good in the BSG department. :D

I love that place to death. Though I wish they would bring back the older HQ images from the later seasons again.

Yeah, last year or sometime around then, I believe a number of sites were threatened with lawsuits and asked to remove them. But I have all those shots on my site as well, so you can get them there. ;)

And my Starbuck tattoo theory has yet to be revealed, because since she's been back (and in all the shots you posted) she doesn't show any skin. So that's got me wondering now.

You must share your theory. ;)

Kaleido Katie

09-04-08, 04:36 AM

Yeah, last year or sometime around then, I believe a number of sites were threatened with lawsuits and asked to remove them. But I have all those shots on my site as well, so you can get them there. ;)
Woooo, that's great! I'll have to check your site for them then! Thanks!

You must share your theory. ;)
Ohh, you might have misssed it, it's up there in my first post: "And if she was a cylon, wouldn't her tattoos be gone? I would think being downloaded into a new body it wouldn't have the tattoos she had on her old one. Just a thought."

Jenni Lou

09-04-08, 04:46 AM

Ohh, you might have misssed it, it's up there in my first post: "And if she was a cylon, wouldn't her tattoos be gone? I would think being downloaded into a new body it wouldn't have the tattoos she had on her old one. Just a thought."

A-ha! I must've forgotten; that was awhile ago. Good point certainly. They are throwing out a lot of clues that her being a Cylon is a possibility...which makes me just believe even more that she, in fact, is not. Still, a good theory and thought!

ooh...I just remember I have to go check to see if one of my BSG podcasts has been updated! *runs off*

Alucard

09-04-08, 09:50 AM

I'm going to jump right on in here! Huge BSG fan!

I too had no idea Jamie wasn't American. I was watching some behind the scenes stuff last year or so and when he started talking, I was like, what's going on!?? Haha. :lol:

I never really thought about the Earthlings being cylons! That's something to think about. I'm just not sure how welcoming Earth will be, especially if they never had any alien contact before. But we will get to see where they go with that soon enough!

Interesting theories on the final cylon! A friend of mine seems to be deadset on it being Bill Adama. As for me, I started to consider Roslin or Billy! Roslin because, well, the final 4 we saw so far are so ironic. Since they have all done so much to fight for humaity. Roslin is like the top dog in the fight to save every human life possible. And I started to question the blood from Hera curing her cancer (temporarily it seems!). What if it wasn't the cylon blood in Hera that cured her, but the human/cylon mix. And as for Billy, I would just love to see him again and it would be an interesting twist! I'm probably wrong on both, but who knows!

As for Starbuck (:heart:) the only thing I can think of at the moment is that she somehow went through another dimension and that's how she ended up with a new ship and the time difference. Maybe Earth doesn't even exist in their reality. Might be too far fetched, but that's all I can come up with so far. :lol: And if she was a cylon, wouldn't her tattoos be gone? I would think being downloaded into a new body it wouldn't have the tattoos she had on her old one. Just a thought.

There was a part in one of the episodes which made me think that Bill Adama might be a Cylon. It was the episode where he is talking to his wife. I've probably misinterprted it but he goes about his duties but is also talking to his ex-wife but which seems similar to projection but in the same respect so can Baltar so it's probably nothing.

The season 4 opener was awesome. Definitely needs a re-watch. I found it really interesting how the Cylon raiders were able to identify that Anders was aFinal Five Cylon. I agree with the theory that the Final Cylon is Geata. After thinking about it and what was said about it not being part of the key characters and he was also part of the resistance and some of them turned out to be Cylons, Also didn't Baltar say "If your friends only knew the truth. I wonder what the visions/dreams that Roslin is experiencing with Caprica Six and Athena will lead to.

I read on Battlestar Wiki a few days ago that Cally willtake her own life in "The Ties that Bind"
Mostly spoilers right now but the site can be found here (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/The_Ties_That_Bind)

LRae12

10-04-08, 01:02 AM

I read on Battlestar Wiki a few days ago that Cally willtake her own life in "The Ties that Bind"
Mostly spoilers right now but the site can be found here (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/The_Ties_That_Bind)

oh my gosh! I can't believe I clicked on that....I certainly hope not! :(

Anywho....S4x01! I totally LOVED this episode! It took me a few minutes to refresh my memory, having seen s3 so long ago, but I was like, whoa, in the first few minutes...:lol:

I loved the twist about starbuck's plane being brand new....when I heard of the time discrepency, I at first thought that she somehow got sucked through a worm hole near the gas planet, and that was what Lee saw, not an explosion, and the worm hole transpoted her to the milky way. But that really can't explain for the new ship, so I'm at a loss for that one. It would account for the time difference, though.

I loved the scene between Sam and Starbuck near the death wall as I call it....:p Sam's comment about how he'd love her even if she was a cylon was so touching, you know he was just trying to gauge her reaction to his cylon status. Then her comment about how he was a bigger person than she was, because if she found out he was a cylon, she'd shoot him between the eyes. I have a feeling that was foreshadowy....but that it won't really play out that way. I think it'll rock her to her core and she'll react much differently.

I have no doubt that Starbuck is not the final cylon. It would be too obvious this early in the season. I too have had thoughts to it being Adama or Roslin. But I can't reconcile a cylon (if Roslin) would succumb to an illness like cancer if she were for all intents an purposes a robot. I kind of don't lean towards Adama all that much, because, well, every cylon on board has tried or fantasized about killing him. And I know the cylons supposedly don't know who the final 5 are, but still.

Ok, another weird observation, why did the cylon ship scan Anders and then turn and leave like they recognized them? They never recognized them before when fighting them, so why now all of a sudden? Did the weird music from the last episode somehow turn them on? :lol: I found that to be strange.

Jenni Lou

10-04-08, 01:30 AM

I loved the twist about starbuck's plane being brand new....when I heard of the time discrepency, I at first thought that she somehow got sucked through a worm hole near the gas planet, and that was what Lee saw, not an explosion, and the worm hole transpoted her to the milky way. But that really can't explain for the new ship, so I'm at a loss for that one. It would account for the time difference, though.

I also thought wormhole. The twist about the ship was tunning...and awesome!

I loved the scene between Sam and Starbuck near the death wall as I call it....:p Sam's comment about how he'd love her even if she was a cylon was so touching, you know he was just trying to gauge her reaction to his cylon status. Then her comment about how he was a bigger person than she was, because if she found out he was a cylon, she'd shoot him between the eyes. I have a feeling that was foreshadowy....but that it won't really play out that way. I think it'll rock her to her core and she'll react much differently.

Oh, I know. I am a Sam fan. I really, really love his character. It could totally be foreshadowing in a way. And it was oh so heartbreaking because even though he was indeed trying to gauge her reaction, he was also being sincere. The Kara/Sam relationship has always been pretty one-sided. He definitely lovers her more than she does him. She uses him a lot.

I'm not the biggest Starbuck fan, can you tell? :lol: I don't hate her...she just irks me from time to time....

Ok, another weird observation, why did [spoiler]the cylon ship scan Anders and then turn and leave like they recognized them? They never recognized them before when fighting them, so why now all of a sudden? Did the weird music from the last episode somehow turn them on? :lol: I found that to be strange.

Yeah, it was weird. I loved that scene because it was so creepy and interesting the way all that hardcore action just slowed own for it...but as for what it means? Not a clue. I'm sure we will learn more later.

Kaleido Katie

10-04-08, 11:02 AM

There were some clues on the final cylon in the first hybrid's speech from Razor (extended version). Not sure if this has been posted already:

"At last, they’ve come for me. I feel their lives, their destinies spilling out before me. The denial of the one true path, played out on a world not their own, will end soon enough. Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves. The pain of revelation bringing new clarity and in the midst of confusion, he will find her. Enemies brought together by impossible longing. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward at once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all. The seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves without sin. But in time, it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of one splintering into many. And then, they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning.

Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end. She is the herald of the apocalypse, the harbinger of death. They must not follow her.

As my own existence comes to a close, only to begin anew, in ways uncertain.

All this has happened before, and it will happen again...again...again...again...again...again...ag ain..."

Though it's hard to narrow it down by the final cylon seeking redemption, since almost everyone on the show is seeking some kind of redemption in some form or another. :p

galathea

10-04-08, 01:33 PM

Just jumping in ...

Oh, I know. I am a Sam fan. I really, really love his character. It could totally be foreshadowing in a way. And it was oh so heartbreaking because even though he was indeed trying to gauge her reaction, he was also being sincere. The Kara/Sam relationship has always been pretty one-sided. He definitely lovers her more than she does him. She uses him a lot.

I'm not the biggest Starbuck fan, can you tell? :lol: I don't hate her...she just irks me from time to time.... I loved how that talk between Sam and Kara was mirrored in the dialogue between Adama and Lee, with Lee asking his father if he really would feel different about his son if for example it had been Zak returning to them as a Cylon and Adama's reaction was the opposite to the one Kara displayed, more accepting of the truth in Lee's words. They grew up as humans and the emotional connection they built with their parents, friends, lovers can't be devaluated by the new information about them, or at least it shouldn't.

Yeah, it was weird. I loved that scene because it was so creepy and interesting the way all that hardcore action just slowed own for it...but as for what it means? Not a clue. I'm sure we will learn more later.I figured that their activation made them recognisable to other Cylons, that as long as they were dormant, there was no way for other Cylons to identify them! :)

Jenni Lou

11-04-08, 01:36 AM

Though it's hard to narrow it down by the final cylon seeking redemption, since almost everyone on the show is seeking some kind of redemption in some form or another. :p

Great post and thoughts! I have to rewatch Razor because I don't remember a lot form it for some reason. But that does certainly seem to narrow it down significantly....kinda. :p

Just jumping in ...

I loved how that talk between Sam and Kara was mirrored in the dialogue between Adama and Lee, with Lee asking his father if he really would feel different about his son if for example it had been Zak returning to them as a Cylon and Adama's reaction was the opposite to the one Kara displayed, more accepting of the truth in Lee's words. They grew up as humans and the emotional connection they built with their parents, friends, lovers can't be devaluated by the new information about them, or at least it shouldn't.

Oh, that was another great scene. I need to rewatch the ep before the new one tomorrow night because everything about it was amazing. My fiance is still only like halfway through s3 and I want him to catch up already! :lol: I would love to be ale to watch it with him.

I figured that their activation made them recognisable to other Cylons, that as long as they were dormant, there was no way for other Cylons to identify them! :)

Yeah, it certainly seems that way on the surface. But wouldn't Athena recognize them? I mean, I suppose she could and she just isn't letting anyone know. But are we to assume that of the Six they have in the brig saw Anders or Tigh or the unknown fifth, that she would recognize them? I know we got a little exposition about that....she says they are programmed never to think about them...

Or maybe it is the humanoid models that cannot detect these final five. Perhaps the Raiders and Centurions can. I think we will be seeing a lot about this coming up. It appears the humanoid Cylons have essentially become what the humans were....they have these Cylons that follow orders and do not have free will.....much like what the humans did to the Cylons when they created them.

Man, I don't think that all came out right. It probably sounds really messy. My daughter broke her foot this week and then got some sort of virus and has been sick all week. Consequently, I haven't slept much and my thoughts are runny and incohesive. /in my defense :D

EvilVampire

11-04-08, 07:50 AM

Just jumping in too... :wave:

How are you doing?

Loved 4x01 too, even though (or maybe because) it raised more questions than it answered.

Some random thoughts (4x01 spoilers; no further spoilers).

a) Who programmed Caprica Six and the other cylons not to think of the final five?

I don't have any theories on that, but it's interesting that the cylons are still being programmed by someone (all of them). It seems there's some cylon puppet master out there. I wonder if that's a cylon too, or something else.

b) Who took Starbuck to Earth and back?

c) Did she actually die, when the viper was destroyed?

We saw the viper tear to shreds earlier, so I wasn't surprised it's brand-new. I'm not sure about Starbuck's body, but I'm guessing her body is possibly new as well. She seemed to be in the ****pit when the Viper was destroyed.

I don't think she's a cylon, though – at least, her trip to Earth isn't the doing of the cylons, in my view. Starbuck was doodling the mandala even as a kid. It seems to me that whoever took her to Earth and back has capabilities far superior to those of either the regular cylons or the Colonials, and I doubt other groups of cylons (unknown to us) could be so advanced.

I don't think we've seen anyone so advanced so far – just hints at their possible intervention. The evidence is sketchy, but I think a possibility (i.e., wild guess ;)) would be one or some of the Lords of Kobol.

Most of the Colonials seem to believe that Starbuck's a cylon, but I think they're reaching the wrong conclusion. They seem to believe that she's trying to take them off course. But what purpose would that accomplish?

The cylons spared the fleet. Based on the information available to the Colonials, the most likely scenario would appear to be that:

1)The cylons can track the fleet.

2)The cylons want the Colonials to find Earth for them (so that they can destroy it too, I suppose).

Else, destroying the fleet would have been an easier course of action than a dubious attempt to use Starbuck to divert it.

Granted, the cylons' plan is mysterious to say the least. But still, an attempt to use Starbuck like that wouldn't seem to serve any purpose. Maybe the Colonials will reconsider and focus on trying to figure out how the cylons managed to find them – and just as importantly if not more, what disabled the fleet just before the cylon attack. The fleet could have remained disabled through the attack, giving the Colonials no chance to even put up a fight.

P.S.: Jenni Lou, I hope you and your daughter get better soon. :)

Jenni Lou

13-04-08, 09:03 PM

a) Who programmed Caprica Six and the other cylons not to think of the final five?

I don't have any theories on that, but it's interesting that the cylons are still being programmed by someone (all of them). It seems there's some cylon puppet master out there. I wonder if that's a cylon too, or something else.

b) Who took Starbuck to Earth and back?

c) Did she actually die, when the viper was destroyed?

Good questions, all of them.

a) I have no theories on this either. Clearly there is some sort of governing entity restricting the Cylons in some capacity. Perhaps it is the final Cylon itself. Maybe they are the true "puppet master."

b & c) Crazy! How did she get there?! And how was her viper brand new and sparkly and why did she lose so much time? A worm hole can explain some...but not all. What I really want to know is what did Starbuck mean before she "died" when she said "It's okay. Just let me go. They're waiting for me."

P.S.: Jenni Lou, I hope you and your daughter get better soon. :)

Thanks! :hug: She seems to finally be mostly over it, which is certainly a relief!

Any thoughts on the next ep "Six of One"? I really liked this one as well. It felt like it was sort of closing out where season three left off. Which is nice because now we can go on into s4 territory. And what I posted earlier that I was afraid didn't make sense seems to have rung true in this episode. With Cavill "lobotomizing" the Raiders....now I wonder if Six's liberation of the Centurions won't come back to bite her and everyone else in their collective asses.

slaycandy

14-04-08, 02:02 AM

Rar. Random thing just wanted to add to you guys as something to mull over. I met with with a few of the BSG cast this weekend. And apparantly..... 5 actors have been told they are the final cylon, and not even the cast know who the final cylon is yet, and they have their own theories too, heh.

Slight spoiler for upcoming episodes:

The season three character Romo Lampkin played by Mark Sheppard is set to return in season four, he filmed an episode last November before the strike began, and he thinks it is about episode 5 or 6 of season four, and has also mentioned he is going back to film an episode in the new batch being filmed, but is unsure of the number, so he will be back again this season... and my next point is uber spoiler... soooo...

DO NOT READ unless you want SPOILED!!!

he has mentioned that he is one of the actors that was informed he was the final cylon

The guys didn't give too much away this weekend though, which is good. Jamie arrived late, as was working in Vancouver right up until Friday night, so got his flight the Saturday morning to London to come to the event. But I am sure I'll remember something that was said and come back on spread the word tomorrow once I wake up. I have literally just got home from the airport, and am dead! It's 1am, and I need my sleep!

SJ
xox

Jenni Lou

14-04-08, 03:01 AM

Mark Sheppard is a really great actor...does well in everything I have seen him...loved him in Firefly!!! But he was total bore on the podcast commentary for "Crossroads." I listened to it on my iPod one night as I went to sleep and ending up fast forwarding through the bulk of it. Lots of dead silence. You'd think he would have lots to share about his experiences on set or about his on ideas on the show. He did a tiny bit but mostly it was just....let's put it this way....it's the worst commentary I have ever listened to. :lol:

About being a Cylon....I could see it....and I like that the creative team has poisoned the spoiler world a bit by telling a bunch of people their characters are the final Cylon. I think that was a good move. I'm gonna try and avoid finding out who is before I watch the episode it is revealed in. :angelnot: On a similar note, I read that the reveal will come somewhere in the middle of the season. Since it won't be in the first ten eps, my guess it will be revealed around episode 13-16.

EvilVampire

14-04-08, 08:59 AM

b & c) Crazy! How did she get there?! And how was her viper brand new and sparkly and why did she lose so much time? A worm hole can explain some...but not all. What I really want to know is what did Starbuck mean before she "died" when she said "It's okay. Just let me go. They're waiting for me."
Information is sketchy, but on the issue of the viper, it was destroyed, so the only explanation left seems to be that whoever took her to Earth made a perfect replica of her viper, up to the tail number (the only problem is that the replica was brand new).

Why did she lose so much time (two months, IIRC)?

Very speculative, but I'd say one month to go to Earth, one month to come back by ship – maybe a ship faster than the cylons' or the Colonials, given how advanced those who took Starbuck to Earth would have to be; so, maybe she'll take longer to get to Earth this time (after 4x02) on one of the Colonial ships.

As for what she said before she died (and I think it's likely that her body was probably destroyed alongside her viper), I don't know. She may have been talking about whoever appeared to her in her visions, but she was kinda crazy at the time so who knows. :confused:

On a related note, those entities are intriguing. They appeared to Starbuck, and more often they appear to Baltar and Caprica Six. Who are those entities? :confused:

They're not figments of people's imagination. Despite their usual vagueness and insistence in speaking in riddles, they do have information that no one else seems to have (plus, I don't think the main characters are that crazy ;); someone is messing with them).

In addition, the fact that one of them (the one that looks like Baltar) appeared to both Baltar and Caprica Six is an indication that he's real – whatever he may be.

The shared visions (Roslin, Caprica Six, Athena and I don't remember if Baltar was there too) also indicates that someone is messing with their heads. It's not the regular cylons we know (let alone the centurions), or the four “final five” who are on the Galactica, or the Colonials of course, so all that leads me to think we're missing some major players here, who remain in the shadows.

If they're all the same beings (i.e., if the ones that appear in people's heads are the same that took Starbuck to Earth, etc.), their capabilities are impressive:

1) They can appear in people's heads (at least, some people's heads), and they have information that none of the characters we know seems to have. In particular, their ability to anticipate events is uncanny.

2) One of them may have been the Six that “framed” Baltar sloppily (I don't remember the episode's name or season), and “tried” to seduce Adama as if she were intentionally raising suspicions against herself and away from Baltar. That would mean that they can appear in corporeal form too (but that may not have been one of them, so this is uncertain).

3) They seem to be capable of replicating a viper (even the Colonial ID codes and the tail numbers), going to Earth and back in two months, and even bringing a human back to life (and taking her from Earth back to the fleet without her knowing what happened).

4) Also, I think they're the most likely candidates for having caused the fleet-wide blackout: if it had been the cylons, they wouldn't have restored power just before they launched their own attack. Instead, they'd have attacked a blind fleet.

I don't know what the reason for the blackout was, but it may have been related to Starbuck's arrival. My guess (wild guess, though :D) is that they needed the blackout in order to hide their own ship, which jumped in, released Starbuck's viper, and jumped out right before the cylon fleet jumped in.

By the way, the cylon fleet would have destroyed the Colonial fleet had Anders not been activated. That's timing.

Lots of holes in the evidence, but I would not be surprise if these same entities had activated the cylons too. It definitely wasn't anyone we know (at least, anyone we know beyond their strange appearances).

To me, a big question is: who are these guys, and what are they up to?

And what I posted earlier that I was afraid didn't make sense seems to have rung true in this episode. With Cavill "lobotomizing" the Raiders....now I wonder if Six's liberation of the Centurions won't come back to bite her and everyone else in their collective asses.
Good point. I wonder how smart the centurions are.

On that note, (“Razor” spoilers) the, say, “old” centurions aren't as fast or well-armed as the “new” ones we're used to seeing, but they're much more intelligent.

In fact, It seems that the centurions used to be the ones calling the shots when there were no humanoid models. It's not clear what happened to them, but if the new centurions are as smart as the old ones, that could be a serious problem for everyone.

In any case, the cylons are now fighting a civil war, so maybe that would be better for the Colonials. It seems that the Twos, Sixes and Eights (except for Boomer) no longer want to attack the Colonial fleet, believing that the Final Five are on board.

Thanks! :hug: She seems to finally be mostly over it, which is certainly a relief!

Good to hear. :)

slaycandy

14-04-08, 04:48 PM

Mark Sheppard is a really great actor...does well in everything I have seen him...loved him in Firefly!!! But he was total bore on the podcast commentary for "Crossroads." I listened to it on my iPod one night as I went to sleep and ending up fast forwarding through the bulk of it. Lots of dead silence. You'd think he would have lots to share about his experiences on set or about his on ideas on the show. He did a tiny bit but mostly it was just....let's put it this way....it's the worst commentary I have ever listened to. :lol:

OMG! I cannot imagine that! I've met Mark now... 5 times I think, and he's one of the most talkative people there are, he just sits and chats for ages. He has so much to say on so many things, that really surprised me when you wrote that! I have to admit, I haven't listened to podcasts for any of the shows. But, wow, that was surprising!

SJ
xox

Kaleido Katie

19-04-08, 08:45 AM

Wow, high stress episode tonight. :err:

A couple thoughts on tonights ep, nothing else spoilery:
First off, I totally hate Tori. I tried to give her some slack before, thinking she just needed some character development. I wasn't a fan when she slept with Sam, but I figured they were both losing it at the time and felt some unknown connection. But now, hitting on Chief and killing Cally? Very lame. I understand the fear of her thinking Cally would expose them to the fleet, but she could have gone about it in a different way. What she did was completely heartless and selfish. I won't be able to stand the sight of her now. Poor Chief and Nick. :( It makes me so sad that Cally won't have a chance to turn things around for herself. What a horrible ending for her.

I hope Gina (dark haired Six) and co. survive somehow. They're some of the better cylons. The free thinking cylons! And may I just say, super grossness to Boomer and Numer One kissing.

They finally showed Starbuck's tattoo! So, at least that confirms for me that she hasn't been downloaded into a fresh new body. I never really figured she was a cylon anyway though! Like you said Jenni, they're trying way too hard to make it seem like she's a cylon, so therefore she probably isn't. There's some other mystery yet to unfold about her.

I have a feeling they're going to throw some random person out there as the final cylon, like Hotdog or something, Haha. I can't think of anything he feels he needs redemption for, so maybe not. But the wait is killing me! And I hear Sci-Fi is going to split this season in half too, so we will need to wait until after 2009 to see the final 10 episodes. We might not know who the final cylon is till then. We're going to have to be very, very patient. :xd