Veronica Mars

[Parker]

Did anybody else love this, ah man I miss it, what are your:
Favourite Season/Episodes/Characters etc....

[BlasterBoy]

Oh, you don't even know :p

When it was on, we had a forum for Veronica Mars! A lot of the members adore it, me being one of them.

Unlike most, I enjoyed Season 3 a lot, just not as much as the other seasons. My favorite season was Season 2 because it just ruled :p

In Season 1, my favorite episode is an obvious one: "Leave It To Beaver". In Season 2 is my favorite episode of VM, which is "Not Pictured". Just perfect. And in Season 3, my favorite is "Spit and Eggs".

I love LoVe (pun intended).

[Jenni Lou]

I actually like s1 the best. The driving mystery of Lilly's murder was really potent and immediate. And the whole Abel Kuntz and Duncan/Veronica are they siblings thing as well as the who raped V....so much good in there! And I really love the way Logan and V ended up together at the end there. A very nice chemistry revealed itself.

I'm waiting for s3 dvds to go on sale. Then I want to rewatch :)

[Nikki]

Season 1 was my favourite season by far. I love seasonal mysteries but with interesting week by week cases. Plus I just fell in love so quickly with Veronica's world. I love her humor immensely and the way everyone interacts in this rich/normal life. They really led us on with all the clues and it really kept it interesting and fresh.

Season 2 did have some great episodes but I really felt season 3 wasn't that good apart from some standout episodes, however I'll rewatch when I get the DVDs, I often find when you rewatch faster than week by week the story can flow better.. but I just hated Piz so much /sigh

I do miss this show, the season 4 pilot looked really interesting.

[Signe]

I love both season one and two. I haven't seen all of season three yet :( but it doesn't seem as good as the two first seasons... However, I just have to get this out of my system: "I Love Logan!" There...

Seriously, the first season rocked. As some pointed out, the Lilly story + the weekly mystery just worked relly good. And of course, Logan. He is probably one of my favourite TV-Show chracters ever! Jason Dohring plays him so brilliantly, you laugh, cry, you do just about anything ^^ I season two one of my favourite scenes is in Plan B (no not the dance part...) where he's sitting next to the annoying girl (who's name I can't remember) and he's just aboutto say "what he reallythinks about her" when Veronica drags him away. It's just so funny!
Girl:
Do you know what I thnk? I think you use sarcasm and anger as a way to keep people from geting close to you.
Logan:
You know I do, but it doesn't always work.

Finally, Nikki said:
I often find when you rewatch faster than week by week the story can flow better.
I agree. I've found that almost no series is bad when you marathon watch it. I think that's the reason why I love so many series, because I almos never "follow" them. I buy DVDs and watch hours after hours...

[Veverka]

It's my watch of the moment- I watched seasons 1 and 2 as they came, and liked those, my boyfriend lost interest in season three so we stopped downloading it, but I now have the box sets (thank you amazon sales!) and am powering through season one. It's good watching it all together because the story is pretty much in all episodes.

[Parker]

Glad to see other fans of the show, I love all 3 seasons, but the first will always be my fave. I couldn't tell you what my fave epi is, but I love, Meet John Smith, Mars vs Mars (that was the first episode I ever saw), I Am God, Spit & Eggs and The last ever episode. My personal favourite character is Mac, god I love her so much, was kinda annoyed when was a regular in S3 but only appeared in 10 out the 20 episodes.

[Jenni Lou]

Wow, choosing just one favorite episode would be so very hard! However, I know "Ruskie Business" is pretty high up there. It's just a very overall solid ep. I love V's voiceovers in it and her at the hotel with Logan. And the Leo parts are also good. I think a lot of my fave eps in the first season fall in the middle of it. And then the Pilot of course is sheer awesomeness. :)

[carousel_girl8]

I loved both season 1 and 2, I haven't seen Season 3 yet, I'm gonna just get the boxset. I love Weapons of Class Distruction (because of the kiss lol) Leave it to Beaver, and Aint no Magic Mountain High Enough.
My fave character is Logan but Veronica is close too. Love the LoVe ship aswell.

[Naia]

I missed so much of this show! Me thinks I need another box set for the collection. :happydance:

What I saw of it was very good, but I kept getting distracted by classes so I never got to watch it.

[patxshand]

This is the single best non-Joss show. Hell, screw that, it's BETTER than "Firefly." BtVS and AtS tie for my top spot, but Veronica Mars is a *close* second.

[BlasterBoy]

The first episode I ever saw was the Season 2 Premiere (the name escapes me at the moment). My sister got the boxset but had never seen the show before. We watched the first episode together, loved it, and continued. We watched the whole show together, even if it meant catching up on Season 3 by computer or watching on the TV. I actually first watched it a year ago. We watched all of Season 2 in winter hiatus. Then, we saw the second half of Season 3 while catching up on the first half by computer. Then, I bought Season 1 and we watched that.

That's my story.

[patxshand]

I bought the Season 1 box set from word of mouth. Especially Joss's mouth. His loving the show really sold me. I watched the first few episodes, thinking it was okay, but then--my the middle of the season--I was enthralled. I watched the first two seasons on DVD early this year and planned to watch the 3rd on DVD, as the TV run was already almost done. But then I heard it was in danger of being cancelled so, to do my part, I watched the airing of the last five episodes of Season Three. Well, still got cancelled. So I bought the box set for Season Three and finished watching it last week. So sad this show is gone.

[Jenni Lou]

I started watching at the end of season one. And I saw a few online and on repeats on tv. I bought the first season and I followed the show after that.

It never returned to the awesomeness of season one. Still a great, solid show. But the first season was the best. And it's rare that a first season is my fave. Very rare.

[Signe]

But the first season was the best. And it's rare that a first season is my fave. Very rare.

I can't remeber how I started watching the show... I do agree with Jenni Lou. It's rare that season one of a show is best, but in VM it's true. And sad.

As for my favourite episode... I love Plan B (season 2). And An Echolls Family Christmas is great too, I love that kind of detective work ;) Oh and the last three or four episodes of season one stands highly in my regard :D I'm a total LoVe fan, so I guess that explains that...

Furthermore, since I've been re-watching the show this past two-three weeks, I've realised how much I love Keith. He's just so funny, cool and just about the best dad a girl could ever wish for. I love him.

[BlasterBoy]

Yes! Keith is amazing and what he did for Veronica in "The Bitch Is Back" is so heartbreaking. He'd do anything for that girl.

I, actually, think Season 2 is the best. I love the seasonal mystery SO. DAMN. MUCH. And, all the standalones are great. You also get introduced to the rape and Hearst College case for Season 3. Plus, "Not Pictured" is one of my favorite episodes ever to be shown on television.

I do concur about Season 1's ending, though. "A Trip To The Dentist" and "Leave It To Beaver" are definitely in my top 20, and "M.A.D"/"Weapons of Class Destruction" are great, also.

[Veverka]

A different slant- does anyone have any particular moments they don't like, any episodes they don't like?

One thing I hate is that Eli doesn't get to graduate. That breaks my heart.

However, the episode I hate is the one where Thumper gets killed. In a show that is pretty dark in terms of people being horrible to one another, most of the most violent moments are shown to be in the heat of the moment. This was so calculated and violent and horrible. I couldn't watch the next ep for a few minutes until I calmed down a bit.

In updates, I finished season two yesterday, and will start season three today or tomorrow... Woohoo.

[Signe]

Hmm... moments. They're both harder and easier to like and remember. I find that even though I like the comedic moments better, the grand and dramatic are the ones that stick - no idea why. Perhaps because everybody keeps talking about them ;)

Among my favourite "moments" (although I don't know if this qualifies) is when Veronica is waiting for Logan in the parking lot (Never Mind the Buttocks) and Logan says: "As a rule I like to start every school day with a hot blond waiting for me in the parking lot." Veronica: "Me too!" L: "I'm not blonde." V: "Or hot." I just think it's funny :D

Oh, and in season one when Logan says that anybody who's not OK with Veronica is "pretty much dead to me". I think that's just so sweet and brave - and (as far as I can remember) he pretty much did it without hesitation. Can you tell I'm a LoVe shipper? ;)

[BlasterBoy]

A different slant- does anyone have any particular moments they don't like, any episodes they don't like?

One thing I hate is that Eli doesn't get to graduate. That breaks my heart.

However, the episode I hate is the one where Thumper gets killed. In a show that is pretty dark in terms of people being horrible to one another, most of the most violent moments are shown to be in the heat of the moment. This was so calculated and violent and horrible. I couldn't watch the next ep for a few minutes until I calmed down a bit.

In updates, I finished season two yesterday, and will start season three today or tomorrow... Woohoo.

I only have two episodes in VM that I dislike: "Witchita Linebacker" and "There's Got To Be A Morning After Pill". Both episodes are in Season 3. WL is just so stupid, boring, and stupid. The MotW is not good at all and it was predictable. Also, there's some stupid drama in it when it comes to V's love life (I won't spoil ya for s3)..

TGTBAMAP is another episode that deals with an idiotic V love life. It's stupid and the MotW is okay, but the drama they try to deliver falls SO flat.

Weevil not graduating is horrible, especially because he's arrested in front of his family for something he didn't do :(

Which episode was this? I forget which one Thumper got killed in.

You're in for a treat. I would like to still have more VM I haven't seen, but unfortunately, I've finished. Some people say Season 3 sucks or is horrible but, imo, I think it's still amazing with mostly decent episodes. I think we just got spoiled and we weren't used to a few less than decent episodes. But, there are at least five amazing episodes and most are good. So, enjoy! :)

[Signe]

Weevil not graduating is horrible, especially because he's arrested in front of his family for something he didn't do :(

Which episode was this? I forget which one Thumper got killed in.


I just re-saw season two (am now barging in on season 3 ;)) and Thumper get's killed i Plan B (ep 17 I think) but Weevil isn't arrested until Not Pictured (ep 22) - during the graduation. I also really really hate Lamb in this scene. Usually, I think he's OK - funny - but here he's simply a...uhm... rear end? ^^

Oh, and I just want to shout out a homage for Kendall. Now when I've re-watched s2 I've realised that I love her :) She's funny, and (though she doesn't look it) smart. I love scheming people, they're just morefun to watch :D

[Parker]

One thing that always bugged was um when whats her face died, I wanna say Jo but thats her character name Supernatural, Meg! That's it, yeah when dies it just feels really brushed over, like "oh thats it?" I wish it had been more grand, I actually kind of feel the same way about (spoiler, for those who haven't seen Season 3) Lambs death

[BlasterBoy]

Lamb's death was horrible just because it's Lamb. Lamb rules.

Meg's death always bugged me a bit. Not because it was under done, but because Meg and Veronica had so much more storyline. I always like to think of it as a "real life" death, because people don't get to decide when they die. People die with unresolved conflicts. I don't think it was under done, though. Just watch the scene in "One Angry Veronica" (is that the name?) when Keith breaks the news.

[Thomas]

Lamb's death was horrible just because it's Lamb. Lamb rules.

Meg's death always bugged me a bit. Not because it was under done, but because Meg and Veronica had so much more storyline. I always like to think of it as a "real life" death, because people don't get to decide when they die. People die with unresolved conflicts. I don't think it was under done, though. Just watch the scene in "One Angry Veronica" (is that the name?) when Keith breaks the news.Lamb was a character I loved, but I also just hated him. I was more shocked then angry about his death. Though, I was disappointed with myself for not figuring it out sooner. :lol: The description to 'Papa's Cabin' didn't mention Lamb or list MM in the "Also Starring" list.Part of me wishes Meg wasn't killed, but I guess it was needed for Duncan's departure. Plus, it made the bus crash even more personal, since a character we loved was killed because of it. I wish there was at least a mentions of her in Season 3, since she was one of Veronica's closest friends.

[Signe]

If you've seen VM s3.e15
Yes! I agree that Lamb's death was very rushed. I know it was sudden so they couldn't really build it up. However, I think that just because it was so sudden they should actually acknowledge that! I mean, where is his crying mother? Loving little brother? He must've had some family, it might've been fun getting to meet them. I dunno, I was just really disappointed at his death and the way of it.

If you've seen VM s3.e20 (i.e. the last epi)
Furthermore, I have had another character epiphany! I have previously vigorously hated Piz. I guess I had problems getting over the fact that Logan and Veronica weren't together. However, I have come to realize that Piz is actually kind of funny and that LoVe will always be LoVe (which in my book is "funny", "good chem" etc.) - even when they're not in love ;) Moreover, we would've never had the nice radio-DJ-room "walk-in-fight" if Piz and V hadn't gotten together (and taped - another story). The fight has in fact jumped up on a sharing first place with the Jess/Dean fight in Gilmore Girls. Oh, and the guy's got good taste in music - it makes it hard for me to hate him :/

Haha, my entire post in Shh-tags. How fun and exclusive I feel. Mohahaha! (May I mention that it's 3:28 a.m. and I've been up many looong hours?)

[BlasterBoy]

If you've seen VM s3.e15
Yes! I agree that Lamb's death was very rushed. I know it was sudden so they couldn't really build it up. However, I think that just because it was so sudden they should actually acknowledge that! I mean, where is his crying mother? Loving little brother? He must've had some family, it might've been fun getting to meet them. I dunno, I was just really disappointed at his death and the way of it.

While I agree with you there, I'd like to point out ONE bit of character depth we've had with Lamb/his family. In 2.07 "Never Put A Child In A Corner", at the end, he gives a hint that he was beaten or abused as a child when the dad starts yelling at him. I just wish we got more of that.

btw, it's fun seeing Veronica's love life. It's a nice flip flop thing. I'll put it in spoilers tags. If I forgot something, please add :)

Veronica went out with Duncan. Duncan dumps her because Veronica's his "sister". Veronica goes out with Troy. Troy's bad to the bone and is a criminal. They break up. Veronica goes out with Logan but she thinks he killed Lily, so they break up. Duncan finds out Veronica's not his sister, so he dumps Meg and dates Veronica again. Duncan got Meg pregnant, so he runs off. Logan and Veronica then get back together (:lol: ). Then, they break up. Then, they get back together. Then, they break up. Then, she kisses Piz. Then, it ends. (the show, I mean. But Piz ends eventually, too :p)

[Signe]

While I agree with you there, I'd like to point out ONE bit of character depth we've had with Lamb/his family. In 2.07 "Never Put A Child In A Corner", at the end, he gives a hint that he was beaten or abused as a child when the dad starts yelling at him. I just wish we got more of that.

Yeah, I know. I was gonna take that up in a post but I accidentally closed the window and I didn't have the energy to write it all again^^ But yeah, I also wish we'd seen more of why Lamb was like he was, well - simply more Lamb!

btw, it's fun seeing Veronica's love life. It's a nice flip flop thing. I'll put it in spoilers tags. If I forgot something, please add :)

Veronica went out with Duncan. Duncan dumps her because Veronica's his "sister". Veronica goes out with Troy. Troy's bad to the bone and is a criminal. They break up. Veronica goes out with Logan but she thinks he killed Lily, so they break up. Duncan finds out Veronica's not his sister, so he dumps Meg and dates Veronica again. Duncan got Meg pregnant, so he runs off. Logan and Veronica then get back together (:lol: ). Then, they break up. Then, they get back together. Then, they break up. Then, she kisses Piz. Then, it ends. (the show, I mean. But Piz ends eventually, too :p)

Well, she did have Leo in between Troy and Logan (first time). She dumps him over Logan if I remember correctly? The "train wreck"-speach... Funny too, I think.

If you've seen VM s3.e20
You write "Then she kisses Piz" which I find an understatement. Because she do acknowledges Piz as her boyfriend - not just "one kiss". Also, I'm gueesing that last note is fan fac or personal imagination? ^^

What I'm about to say goes against everything I believe in. However, I actually think Veronica and Piz might work long term. I *am* a LoVe fan - don't get me wrong. It's just that LoVe is such a roller coaster couple, they can never really get to that stable point in their relationship where they have mutual trust. Veronica has a major trust issue - I think towards Logan especially because he's done some pretty bad things in the past. Furthermore, Logan is not really the guy who takes being surveiled and tracked... In the Veronica/Piz relationship Veronica has yet to be "betrayed" (in her POV) by Piz and Piz has yet to really know the PI-skills of Veronica.

[BlasterBoy]

Well, she did have Leo in between Troy and Logan (first time). She dumps him over Logan if I remember correctly? The "train wreck"-speach... Funny too, I think.

Oh, yes! In "Hot Dogs", I think. And after she breaks up with him, she asks for a favor :lol:

If you've seen VM s3.e20
You write "Then she kisses Piz" which I find an understatement. Because she do acknowledges Piz as her boyfriend - not just "one kiss". Also, I'm gueesing that last note is fan fac or personal imagination? ^^

What I'm about to say goes against everything I believe in. However, I actually think Veronica and Piz might work long term. I *am* a LoVe fan - don't get me wrong. It's just that LoVe is such a roller coaster couple, they can never really get to that stable point in their relationship where they have mutual trust. Veronica has a major trust issue - I think towards Logan especially because he's done some pretty bad things in the past. Furthermore, Logan is not really the guy who takes being surveiled and tracked... In the Veronica/Piz relationship Veronica has yet to be "betrayed" (in her POV) by Piz and Piz has yet to really know the PI-skills of Veronica.


I meant kiss in "Un-American Graffiti", sparking a relationship. But, even though I'm biased, I seriously think it's a transition relationship, like Troy. It's not going to be big in her life. I believe LoVe will get back together. Their love is "epic". I knew it was going to come back when I saw that look Veronica gives Logan after he beats up the person who taped her, and then she steals her pen back :lol: That little smile.

[Veverka]

A question about the first arc of season three, which I finished last night-

So the rapist was Mercer, with Mo his side man- but Veronica alreayd found an alibi for Mercer, right? He was broadcasting during that time? I don't get it, what did I miss?

[BlasterBoy]

A question about the first arc of season three, which I finished last night-

So the rapist was Mercer, with Mo his side man- but Veronica alreayd found an alibi for Mercer, right? He was broadcasting during that time? I don't get it, what did I miss?

I'm pretty sure that recording that started playing during the party was a recording Veronica had already heard, making it shown that he pre-recorded them with fake interviews. (or something) I might be wrong, cause I'm still not sure, but that was my guess.

[Signe]

I'm pretty sure that recording that started playing during the party was a recording Veronica had already heard, making it shown that he pre-recorded them with fake interviews. (or something) I might be wrong, cause I'm still not sure, but that was my guess.

VM s3.e09
Yeah, I'd say that's my perception of the whole thing as well ^^ Also, one of my absolute fave Logan scenes in the third season is when someone asks of Logan's been around and Veronica says "I haven't seen him" and there's a cut to two police men (or sheriff's department guys) in a diner. Through the window behind him you see Logan slowly walking up to thier car then smashing it with a baseball bat :D It's just the best way I've ever seen anybody get into jail ;) Sometimes I just loves how he handles situations!

[Veverka]

VM s3.e09
Yeah, I'd say that's my perception of the whole thing as well ^^ Also, one of my absolute fave Logan scenes in the third season is when someone asks of Logan's been around and Veronica says "I haven't seen him" and there's a cut to two police men (or sheriff's department guys) in a diner. Through the window behind him you see Logan slowly walking up to thier car then smashing it with a baseball bat :D It's just the best way I've ever seen anybody get into jail ;) Sometimes I just loves how he handles situations!


Yes, that was beyond awesome. Love it. One of my fave scenes yet! As for your interpretations, Signe and Ben, sounds fair enough ;)

[buffyholic]

A lot of people talk about VM but still, I haven´t seen it. My damn network won´t broadcast it. But I´m real curious about it.

[BlasterBoy]

VM s3.e09
Yeah, I'd say that's my perception of the whole thing as well ^^ Also, one of my absolute fave Logan scenes in the third season is when someone asks of Logan's been around and Veronica says "I haven't seen him" and there's a cut to two police men (or sheriff's department guys) in a diner. Through the window behind him you see Logan slowly walking up to thier car then smashing it with a baseball bat :D It's just the best way I've ever seen anybody get into jail ;) Sometimes I just loves how he handles situations!

Yes, yes, yes! I loved, loved, LOVED that scene! Classic Logan.

Glad I could help, Vev :)

buffyholic, you really sure. If your local videostore has them, rent them. If they don't, buy them. Really, they're that good. It has the witty dialog Buffy has, only better (imo). It has amazing mystery and suspenseful stories. Just watch.

[Veverka]

A lot of people talk about VM but still, I haven´t seen it. My damn network won´t broadcast it. But I´m real curious about it.

In Oz the networks weren't really supportive- I finally got all the boxsets from amazon, you just have to keep your eyes out for good prices. So. Worth. It. :roll:

I'm in shock and angst at the moment because I just got to the bit where V finds out Logan fooled around with Madison while they were split early season three. Sigh. I can barely even listen to 'I hear the bells' this morning. :err:

[BlasterBoy]

I'm in shock and angst at the moment because I just got to the bit where V finds out Logan fooled around with Madison while they were split early season three. Sigh. I can barely even listen to 'I hear the bells' this morning. :err:

Wow. You're on the worst episode of the series, imo :lol:

I think Veronica is way overreacting, especially because it was once while they were SPLIT. UP. It was ridiculous, imo.

[Signe]

Wow. You're on the worst episode of the series, imo :lol:

I think Veronica is way overreacting, especially because it was once while they were SPLIT. UP. It was ridiculous, imo.

Agree, it's just about the worst epi of the season.

Preferably season 3 of V
Furthermore, am I the only one who actually find it kinda funny that in one epi they broke up, got back together at the end of the next epi and then broke up *again* by the beginning of the second next episode? And Ben, I dunno if I agree that she was overreacting. A bit, perhaps - I can give you that. But if my guy slept with a girl who'd not only been a b*tch towards me for several, several years - she'd also been part of the reason to why I was raped... I dunno if I'd be that forgiving - even if it was during a period when "he" was not actually "mine" ;) Of course I was sad and screaming to the TV when they broke up (again), but I could understand it... Of course, my vain hope was hoping for a reuniting in the end :D I also know that this goes against my Piz theory, but I honestly can't decide whom I think V should be with (in the end, end - i.e. in my own imagination of V's future life haha!). Ah well...

[KingofCretins]

I always thought that the rant about Madison being responsible for what happened to Veronica was... pretty idiotic. Considering who she's lecturing, and who it was that knowingly *brought* the GHB to the party, she sounds ridiculous to be holding it against Madison that she was raped when as far as Madison knew, she was just pulling a kindergarten level prank on her.

[Signe]

I always thought that the rant about Madison being responsible for what happened to Veronica was... pretty idiotic. Considering who she's lecturing, and who it was that knowingly *brought* the GHB to the party, she sounds ridiculous to be holding it against Madison that she was raped when as far as Madison knew, she was just pulling a kindergarten level prank on her.

Well yeah, in a way I kinda think so too. But usually emotions aren't very logical and as far as I know Madison and Veronica never really "hung out". Furthermore, Logan acually apologised to Veronica for bringing the drugs - Madison never apologised to Veronica about anything. However, I get your point - Madison didn't know there was drugs in the drink (+ spit) she gave to V. On the other hand, if Veronica hadn't dumped Logan we would've never seen the depressed Logan locked in his hotel room days on end ;) IMO, that was very funny ^^

[Parker]

I'm lazy so I can't be bothered to read you guy's long posts :D , but what i didn't get was what SO may people had against Piz, I liked him alot, I have to say though I never missed Duncan in the slightest.

[BlasterBoy]

Madison/Veronica:

If Mac did what Madison did, wouldn't she have just blown it over? ALL Madison did was give Veronica and a drink and spit in it. I mean, she didn't know there were drugs in it. The real culprits, imo, are Dick/Beaver/Logan/The Guy From The Christmas One.

[Signe]

Madison/Veronica:

If Mac did what Madison did, wouldn't she have just blown it over? ALL Madison did was give Veronica and a drink and spit in it. I mean, she didn't know there were drugs in it. The real culprits, imo, are Dick/Beaver/Logan/The Guy From The Christmas One.

Veronica/Madison etc.
Maybe Veronica would've blown it off had Mac done what Madsion did - we'll never know. However, I can understand V's POV. There's a person in my (old) life that I absolutley hate, and it's not really that she's done huge horrible things - it's just an attitude she has (and always has had) towards me. If the person you love would go and do the deed with a person you know hated and despised you (and you hated/despised in return), I'd not be so forgiving. Mostly because I'd be so hurt that the person I'd love would go to a person I "knew" was a bad person - at least towards me. On the other hand, I can understand that if you look an the "what did she actually do" part, that you'd find it hard to see why she was so upset.

Moreover, as I've said before, Logan apologised for his earlier ways, Madison did not. As far as I know, Veronica don't really like Dick or the Xmas guy (you're talking the guy with the butler dad or who?). As for Beaver, she didn't really know his true involvment until moments before his death so...

[BlasterBoy]

Veronica/Madison etc.

Moreover, as I've said before, Logan apologised for his earlier ways, Madison did not. As far as I know, Veronica don't really like Dick or the Xmas guy (you're talking the guy with the butler dad or who?). As for Beaver, she didn't really know his true involvment until moments before his death so...

Same as above: (do we have to keep doing this cause this is Season 1 and 2 stuff we're discussing know, not that s3 episode)

Yes, but if a rapist apologized for raping someone, should they go unpunished? I'm not saying Logan WAS a rapist, but if it wasn't for him (and he did it knowingly, Madison did not), V would not be raped. Beaver, yes, I know. She dislikes Dick but not with a passion. She hangs out with him a lot, you'll find, especially in Season 2/3. The Xmas guy is the one that stole the poker money, and yes, she does hate him.

[KingofCretins]

As some TWOP posters said, and were quoted by Couch Baron, the recapper, in "A Trip to the Dentist", it turned out that 09er culture is what raped Veronica. Logan supplied the drugs, Dick put them in a drink with the intention of using them for date rape, others ignored her state, and ultimately, Duncan took advantage, unwittingly or not. I could have done without the Beaver angle, actually, I think it blurs the lesson from "A Trip to the Dentist". Of all the people in that chain of causation, the person *least* directly responsible is Madison.

She's an awful, awful bitch and pretty much this unfailingly nasty girl, but she had no part in what happened to Veronica, and I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that if she knew that the drink contained a date rape drug, she wouldn't have handed it to anyone but the nearest sink.

[Signe]

OK, so I'm going to stand down on this one as I cannot honestly say that I burn for the cause that Veronica was "justified" (if that term could ever be applied to a situation like this). The only point I was really trying to raise was that there are always two (or more) sides to something.

In a lame attempt to spark a new discussion... In s3 (I'm sorry I keep reffering to this but I just re-saw it ^^)

Mac dates two guys in this season, Max and Bronson. Personally, I'm not a big fan of Max. It could be because I'm a huge believer in education and that cheating is just about the worst thing (after murder, rape etc.). Furthermore, I really really liked Bronson. I love activists - OK, that's a lie. I love activists who present a decent and scientific arguement (yeah, I'm a wierdo, so what?). Bronson was just a really nice animal friend and Max helped cheat... This kind of makes me like Bronson more. Furthermore, the only time I liked Max was the epi when he wanted to find the girl (hooker it turned out) of his dreams. So what does anybody think? MAx or Bronson? (Because I highly doubt anybody still thinks Beaver's a good choise)

[KingofCretins]

I don't think either of them. But, she made more sense with Max, they had more in common -- she just had the same thing that happens to a lot of college women, she found out she was dating a loser. But her and Bronson, that was never going anywhere. I was happy just to see Mac having some fun and feeling like she was fun and sexy, something Beaver probably really made hard for her.

[BlasterBoy]

First off, I like both. Didn't love either of them, but I'm happy that Mac got a boyfriend that wasn't a murderer :lol: Bronson was interesting, and I really loved them together at first. But, in "Mars, Bars" I really disliked them. They didn't have that spark in a relationship. It looked like they were at their height before their relationship even began. *shrugs* Max, like Dan said, was Mac's perfect match. Both computer geeks and they're a nice couple. I loved him in 3.11 but I still don't love him for the cheating constantly thing. :s

Strangely enough, I adored Beaver and Mac together until "Not Pictured", obviously. Their bickering and the way they look at each other, it just sparked. I loved them when they were helping Weevil, and I loved them a lot in 2.12 (was it?) "Ain't No Magic Mountain High Enough". Loved them, until he was revealed as a psychotic, evil murderer and rapist.

[Jenni Lou]

I could have done without the Beaver angle, actually, I think it blurs the lesson from "A Trip to the Dentist". Of all the people in that chain of causation, the person *least* directly responsible is Madison.


I always felt that this was done simply for the shock factor. It's like the writers wanted there to be a super massive twist and this isthe way they got it.

I always felt it was unneeded. :/

[BlasterBoy]

I always felt that this was done simply for the shock factor. It's like the writers wanted there to be a super massive twist and this isthe way they got it.

I always felt it was unneeded. :/

Yeah, but ya gotta admit, it helped change your mind from shy!nice Beaver, to evil!crazy Beaver, right? I thought that was partly why it was needed and the fact that people wanted an answer to that question. And the shock.

[Signe]

Strangely enough, I adored Beaver and Mac together until "Not Pictured", obviously. Their bickering and the way they look at each other, it just sparked. I loved them when they were helping Weevil, and I loved them a lot in 2.12 (was it?) "Ain't No Magic Mountain High Enough". Loved them, until he was revealed as a psychotic, evil murderer and rapist.

Season two ending spoilery... (I hate getting spoiled, that's why I'm usually a major Shh-tagger)
I also loved Mac and Beaver until we found out he was a psycho. They were really fun together. The only problem I had was that I always felt he looked like a psycho, but I guess that's just how he looks (it's the same on Smallville IMO, not so much in Bones though even though he's supposed to be emo there [off topic, I know]). One of my favourite scenes from VM s2 is when they're helping Weevil and he's all "go and do it in the closet then come back here and help me" (yeah, not exact words but you get my drift). Hilarious :D I just feel so sorry for Mac in "Not Pictured", no-one should have to go through that :(

[BlasterBoy]

Season two ending spoilery... (I hate getting spoiled, that's why I'm usually a major Shh-tagger)
I also loved Mac and Beaver until we found out he was a psycho. They were really fun together. The only problem I had was that I always felt he looked like a psycho, but I guess that's just how he looks (it's the same on Smallville IMO, not so much in Bones though even though he's supposed to be emo there [off topic, I know]). One of my favourite scenes from VM s2 is when they're helping Weevil and he's all "go and do it in the closet then come back here and help me" (yeah, not exact words but you get my drift). Hilarious :D I just feel so sorry for Mac in "Not Pictured", no-one should have to go through that :(

I know! Mac's line when Veronica finds her is so beautiful and touching :( :cutecry: And I know what ya mean about the Weevil tutoring scene. The smile they give at each other once Weevil says that is hilarious! :lol: I love Beav trying to teach Weevil and Mac showing him up hehe.

[Veverka]

Back to the Veronica/Madison conflict
In terms of rationally, no, V shouldn't have blamed Madison. Heart wise, I'm right there with her, Madison represented all the bad that was the 09ers and personified the world owing her something image. I completely understand that she couldn't let go of the blame V felt Madison should take. It's not rationale, but feelings aren't.

[KingofCretins]

It's not okay to hold Logan to an ethical standard based on feelings that aren't rational, though. That's why the whole thing felt very un-Veronica. She's not prone to emotional excesses as it is, and she immediately latched on to the idea that the basically innocent Madison was responsible for what happened to her and that Logan should have just... known she felt that way despite the feeling itself making no real sense at all.

[patxshand]

Why is everyone using a ridiculous amount of spoiler-hiders?

[KingofCretins]

I really don't know, but it's apparently for anything from Season 3.

[patxshand]

Which ended about six months ago? (lol) I think the DVDs have been out long enough for any "spoiler" to run free and naked.

[Jenni Lou]

I concur. Spoiler tags are not needed in this discussion. I don't know why everyone is using them. And the show has been done for like seven months. So y'all don't need to use them anymore. :)

[Veverka]

Mac dates two guys in this season, Max and Bronson. Personally, I'm not a big fan of Max. It could be because I'm a huge believer in education and that cheating is just about the worst thing (after murder, rape etc.). Furthermore, I really really liked Bronson. I love activists - OK, that's a lie. I love activists who present a decent and scientific arguement (yeah, I'm a wierdo, so what?). Bronson was just a really nice animal friend and Max helped cheat... This kind of makes me like Bronson more. Furthermore, the only time I liked Max was the epi when he wanted to find the girl (hooker it turned out) of his dreams. So what does anybody think? MAx or Bronson? (Because I highly doubt anybody still thinks Beaver's a good choise)

I don't think either of them. But, she made more sense with Max, they had more in common -- she just had the same thing that happens to a lot of college women, she found out she was dating a loser. But her and Bronson, that was never going anywhere. I was happy just to see Mac having some fun and feeling like she was fun and sexy, something Beaver probably really made hard for her.

Mmm, I guess the point of both the characters was, you know, she's out of high school, there's a point you kinda come to when you're growing up where the balance changes and you realise that you're attractive to other people- Beaver was her first experience of that, and it ended so badly, and it was just nice to see her in a couple of nice/sexy/fun relationships where it was okay for her to want to be with them and the guys to want to be with her, but have Mac not wanting to tear her heart out in an intense situation but just enjoy what came her way.

As for the differences in the two- well, yeah. Like KoC said, she found out she was dating a loser in terms of Max- that happens a lot during and after college (sorry guys!) just coz women tend to grow up a little faster- (patient women are my heroes!!!) and therefore men/boys who are revelling in the college glory days etc and don't want to move on. Meh. It happens.

Also, a lot of shows have the characters always in relationships, and it was refreshing in terms of Veronica's relationships, too, to see her with Piz. He's the Riley of the picture, never gonna be the long haul guy, but she's nineteen, so she should be having fun and not looking for a husband/life partner. And hey, if she and Logan get back together later, I'm all for it- they're perfect together!!! :heart:

Equally, we see Wallace flirting quite a lot, and we saw him quite serious with Jacqui in high school, but again- nineteen- it's cool that he's enjoying college.

[buffyholic]

BlasterBoy, I thought of buying it too, but there´s no Veronica Mars Region 2 DVDs yet.

[BlasterBoy]

I wanted to mention one scene. In 1.04 "Wrath of the Cons", Logan makes a Lily video. It's played at the end and is one of my favorite scenes ever. It sends chills down me. The part at the end where she goes, "You love me, don't you?" gets me every time. I always think it's horrible that Lily's mother is unaffected by the video, though. Bitch :lol:

[KingofCretins]

That was an important scene, really, because if the audience gets to Lily asking them (us) if we love her... if we don't, the series is dead in the water, isn't it?

[Veverka]

That was an important scene, really, because if the audience gets to Lily asking them (us) if we love her... if we don't, the series is dead in the water, isn't it?

I wanted to mention one scene. In 1.04 "Wrath of the Cons", Logan makes a Lily video. It's played at the end and is one of my favorite scenes ever. It sends chills down me. The part at the end where she goes, "You love me, don't you?" gets me every time. I always think it's horrible that Lily's mother is unaffected by the video, though. Bitch :lol:

Yeah, and what I think this brings up is the role that Wallace plays for the audience- we are Wallace- we meet Veronica post loss of Lilly, we never meet Lilly, only Veronica, Logan, Weevil, Duncan's memories of her.

[Signe]

Yeah, and what I think this brings up is the role that Wallace plays for the audience- we are Wallace- we meet Veronica post loss of Lilly, we never meet Lilly, only Veronica, Logan, Weevil, Duncan's memories of her.

So true. I think that's a very interesting way to create the show as well, to do it all retro-spectivly instead of in simple chronoligical order. Also, I love Logan's "film" and I love how different everybody react, there's a lot of melancholy smiles, Celeste gets angry and Jake burst out in tears (as do I). I really love that entire episode, mostly because not only do we get to know Lily better, we get to see that Logan, Duncan and Veronica really used to be friends (and more). It's not only something she's told the audience.

[Parker]

BlasterBoy, I thought of buying it too, but there´s no Veronica Mars Region 2 DVDs yet.
The American DVDs work fine on Region 2 players.

[Rosely]

The American DVDs work fine on Region 2 players.

Eh... not really....
American DVD's are region 1, so if you have a region 2 player, it won't work.
Unless you've taken care of the region problems of your dvd player.

[Parker]

The American VM DVDs are regions 1, 2, 3 and 4, a friend of mine has a Region 2 only player and they worked fine for him.

[buffyholic]

I have a couple of questions about VM.

- I´ve never seen the show before but a lot of people say it´s amazing. So, without seeing any episodes, do you think it´s a good buy?

- Do you know if the show is on region 2?

[skinless]

Yeah, Its a Great Buy, an Amazing show. Great actors and the first season is the best out of any of them. I would recommend the show to any and Everyone

[Jenni Lou]

I will also agree that it is a great buy. I didn't come into the show until the end of the first season and I ended up seeking the rest of the episodes out just so I could see them. It totally pulls you in. It's witty and clever and fun and it is also one the most aesthetically awesome shows in recent years; there are so many rich colors and interesting camera angles and shots. The eye has a lot to pick up watching this show. And the story plays into that. The flashbacks and brighter and more vibrant, yet have a fuzzy filter to them. Definitely worth checking out, I say. The series did wane more in its last two seasons but it was still a very strong show and was better than most of the other stuff on tv at the same time. :)

[LaJaula]

The first season is absolutely amazing. It's honestly one of the best seasons on T.V.-- it was written originally to be a novel, so the entire season is intricately plotted out, and it shows. The second season is still very good, though not as great as the first, but I wouldn't recommend buying Season Three at all. JMO. No idea re: Region 2.

[BlasterBoy]

Buy it. It is an amazing buy :heart: It has exceeded my love for Buffy, even! I think all three seasons are amazing (yes, ALL three :p), and I actually think Season 2 is better than season 1. But, Season 1s are usually the worst cause a show is just starting out, but this first season blows your mind! This show is just phenomenal. Buy it.

[buffyholic]

I´m really excited about this! Veronica Mars is coming out on Region 2 this May. I mean, I´ve never seen it but I´m really anxious for the DVD to come out.
btw, does anyone know where I can watch VM on the Internet?

[Jenni Lou]

buffyholic, I do not believe the show is being streamed anywhere on the internet (legally) at this point. Although I just read yesterday that Warner Bros. will be playing old tv shows they own on a website soon featuring shows such as Gilmore Girls. Perhaps this will happen with VM one day as well.

[Veverka]

The only option I am aware of is with amazon- they have that 'unboxed' section where I believe you can pay per epsiode... so it's not free...

[Immortal]

I also really really hate Lamb in this scene. Usually, I think he's OK - funny - but here he's simply a...uhm... rear end? ^^


I agree with you on that. He could have waited five minutes. How very rude. Weevil is such a great character & funny.


I miss this show so much. My favorite season by far is season 1. It was the most compelling of the 3. Full of intrigue, mystery, romance, comedy & murder. The Lilly flashbacks were really key. They never gave you too much info which meant you had to tune in next time. Season Two is great too. With the bus crash and veronica/logan romance. Except they kept breaking up and getting back together. Then season three, loved it of course. I don't like how they solved the rape case kinda mid season. It killed alot of viewers that way. Let's talk ending. When Logan punched out that guy that was messing with her in the end of the last episodei thought they were gonna make up. Disappointing that they ended the show with their relationship on the edge like that.

[buffyholic]

I´m gonna buy Veronica Mars later this month. And if I like it enough, I think I´m gonna try season 2.

[skinless]

http://www.petitiononline.com/vmdvd/petition.html This link will lead u to a site where u can sign a petition to get VMars In a New Direct to DVD movie. Please read the front Page. Thank you

[buffyholic]

Before I sign, maybe I have to watch first VM just to understand it better.
Don´t you think?

[buffyholic]

Update: I´ve bought Veronica Mars, finally! This weekend will be entirely devoted to VM.
I´ll give details about how it´s going.

[slaycandy]

I´m really excited about this! Veronica Mars is coming out on Region 2 this May. I mean, I´ve never seen it but I´m really anxious for the DVD to come out.
btw, does anyone know where I can watch VM on the Internet?

Just to let you know that the region 1 DVDs are actually region free. I have the region 1 DVDs and they worked perfectly well on a region 2 DVD player as I know a lot of people who don't have multi-region players, and all have been able to watch them. I had read somewhere online that this was the case and so got a friend to try them, and was quite surprised, so gave them to a fair few people to borrow.

I'm just letting you know as I always find the R1 DVDs cheaper to buy than R2, ;)

SJ
xox

LOL! I just read your update, ah well, never mind then!

[DigitalLeonardo]

http://www.petitiononline.com/vmdvd/petition.html This link will lead u to a site where u can sign a petition to get VMars In a New Direct to DVD movie. Please read the front Page. Thank you

I think its getting too late. I don't think KB will return, she kinda has that SMG quality to her. Plus if you ignore season 3 and the last minute of season 2 and just watch to up where Logan and Veronica make out you have a perfect conclusion to the series :lol:

[Josh Grey]

I think its getting too late. I don't think KB will return, she kinda has that SMG quality to her. Plus if you ignore season 3 and the last minute of season 2 and just watch to up where Logan and Veronica make out you have a perfect conclusion to the series :lol:

I think KB is very diffrent from SMG. I do not know her personally, but from what I've seen (interviews and such...) she's not like SMG.

[buffyholic]

I´ve seen the first twelve episodes and I am wildly impressed. Veronica Mars is just amazing. Full of great plots, great characters and amazing writing. And I cannot wait to end the season. I´ve never seen a first season like this. I am totally hooked by the series and by the main character. Also, Kirsten Bell does a great job! All the characters are full of shades and three-dimensional, especially Logan who is a mystery to me.

I´ll say more, as soon as I finish the season.

[Signe]

I´ve seen the first twelve episodes and I am wildly impressed. Veronica Mars is just amazing. Full of great plots, great characters and amazing writing. And I cannot wait to end the season. I´ve never seen a first season like this. I am totally hooked by the series and by the main character. Also, Kirsten Bell does a great job! All the characters are full of shades and three-dimensional, especially Logan who is a mystery to me.


Oh, I'm almost envious of you who still has unseen VM episodes! Especially season one episodes (as I am of the opinion that season one just rocks!). See, season one is the kind of season you appreciate while you're watching it whereas season two is more that you enjoy it the second time (at least for me ^^). Anyhow, I'm really happy that you discovered VM :D

[BlasterBoy]

Trust me, Veronica Mars only gets better from there. IMO, the only amazing episode you've seen yet is "Like A Virgin". Dude, you still have "Ruskie Business", "Weapons of Class Destruction", "A Trip To The Dentist", etc.!

I can't wait to see your reaction to some of the bad guys ;)

[Signe]

Trust me, Veronica Mars only gets better from there. IMO, the only amazing episode you've seen yet is "Like A Virgin". Dude, you still have "Ruskie Business", "Weapons of Class Destruction", "A Trip To The Dentist", etc.!

I can't wait to see your reaction to some of the bad guys ;)

Haha! Very very true ^^ "Ruskie Business" is such a classic, I just :heart: :heart: :heart: And WoCD is totally awesome (you all know what I'm talking about, hihihi..). Though I think the pilot should be counted as a really really great episode, maybe even amazing, because for an episode it's good and for a pilot it's extravagant! I still enjoy watching it and I usually hate pilots (I mean, I try to stay as far away from both BtVS's and Angel's pilots... and Grey's Anatomy's....), but VM's is still brilliant^^

[BlasterBoy]

Haha! Very very true ^^ "Ruskie Business" is such a classic, I just :heart: :heart: :heart: And WoCD is totally awesome (you all know what I'm talking about, hihihi..). Though I think the pilot should be counted as a really really great episode, maybe even amazing, because for an episode it's good and for a pilot it's extravagant! I still enjoy watching it and I usually hate pilots (I mean, I try to stay as far away from both BtVS's and Angel's pilots... and Grey's Anatomy's....), but VM's is still brilliant^^

Well, I find VM's pilot very, very average. I mean, it doesn't even rank with pilots like Heroes and Alias.

[Signe]

Seriously?! Granted, Heroes' pilot is a fine pilot but Alias' is one of the many pilots I try to never watch! I know - compleatly different thread, but still... That episode is like one of the worst of that season - it makes me think of the sounds Xander and Buff make in Bad Eggs "gnanana" and the likes... VM's is much better - just the marshmellow line alone! And how the pilot doesn't really "stick out" in style etc. like so so so many other pilots (Gilmore Girls!)... I hate it when they do that, especially when you re-watch them. It feels all "wrong".

[BlasterBoy]

Seriously?! Granted, Heroes' pilot is a fine pilot but Alias' is one of the many pilots I try to never watch! I know - compleatly different thread, but still... That episode is like one of the worst of that season - it makes me think of the sounds Xander and Buff make in Bad Eggs "gnanana" and the likes... VM's is much better - just the marshmellow line alone! And how the pilot doesn't really "stick out" in style etc. like so so so many other pilots (Gilmore Girls!)... I hate it when they do that, especially when you re-watch them. It feels all "wrong".

yeah, OOC but.....

I love Alias'! I think it sets up the show so nicely. Amazing fights, amazing plot, amazing acting, etc. Yes, I hate when they do that, too! I see the "House" pilot, and I'm like....why is everything brown? :lol: :roll:

[Jenni Lou]

I also think that the VM pilot is far superior to most. That ep sets up everything in a eally, fun, quirky intriguing way. I find a lot of pilots to be average or even below. The VM pilot for me, ranks very high. One of my fave pilots ever, in fact.

[Signe]

When did the Vm thread become a pilot thread? OK, bit my fault but whatever... I'm gonna skip the Alias now because of the obvious thread reasons ^^ And jump into Vm *again* :D Like Jenni Lou said, the VM pilot sets up not only the story of the show and the season (brilliantly might I add), but it sets up the feel of the show (with the wittyness, the bright colours and charismatic characters) - something most shows fail to do (as BlasterBoy noted, House is not a particularly brown show:lol:). So that's why I really like it, it's a perfect pilot.

[skinless]

Speaking of the pilot, I thought it was the best pilot that I have ever seen and thats saying something becuase I make it my duty to see every first episode of all series. (I cant watch TV all the time so there have been a handful of a few years that I have missed.)

[buffyholic]

The pilot just rocks! I love everything about it, the flashbacks, the new characters and just how Veronica is snarky and bitter.

Moving along, I just saw five more episodes. "Ruskie Business" is amazing, I mean, almost each episode is amazing but "Ruskie Business" stands out. I also like "Betty and Veronica" who was funny and serious. Serious when it came to Veronica´s mom and funny because of the parrot. Logan just keeps surprising me, he goes from a jerk, to angered and abused child to just angry. When he breaks down in front of Veronica when he realised that his mother was actually dead, was amazing and it really affected me. I really liked Alyson Hannigan´s cameo. Also, "Mars vs Mars" was extremely good.

I gotta say that I am completely obsessed with VM. And I´m almost finishing the season.

[Josh Grey]

The pilot just rocks! I love everything about it, the flashbacks, the new characters and just how Veronica is snarky and bitter.

Moving along, I just saw five more episodes. "Ruskie Business" is amazing, I mean, almost each episode is amazing but "Ruskie Business" stands out. I also like "Betty and Veronica" who was funny and serious. Serious when it came to Veronica´s mom and funny because of the parrot. Logan just keeps surprising me, he goes from a jerk, to angered and abused child to just angry. When he breaks down in front of Veronica when he realised that his mother was actually dead, was amazing and it really affected me. I really liked Alyson Hannigan´s cameo. Also, "Mars vs Mars" was extremely good.

I gotta say that I am completely obsessed with VM. And I´m almost finishing the season.

I am rewatching the first season for the who knows time, seriously. I Stopped counting! everytime you watch it, you are just completly blown away from the show. No matter how many times you've watched it, every episode is exciting all over again.

[BlasterBoy]

Can't wait to see your reaction to "The Trip To The Dentist". Really can't wait.

Yeah, all the characters have multiple layers. The show is exciting, creepy, suspensful, mysterious, funny, witty, sad, dramatic, etc. Amazing stuff, all around. Yeah, I love the dynamic between Veronica and Meg.

[DigitalLeonardo]

Season 1 is so solid - its crazy. There is no episode from that season I won't watch again. Even though I love the early episodes ("Meet John Smith" and "You Think You Know Somebody" are just amazing with twists and turns.) I gotta say, the last 3 episodes just keep you on the edge of your seat. With everything that happens, the secrets revealed and the entire murder solved is just... O.O wow. I remember watching it when it first aired. The last 20 minutes of "Leave it to Beaver" made me fall in love with the series forever.

Season 2 has some dips, but makes it back up for the finale. Season 3... alot of highlights, "Spit and Eggs" was great. But... yeah... I'll let you figure that out ^_^

[BlasterBoy]

Season 2 has some dips, but makes it back up for the finale. Season 3... alot of highlights, "Spit and Eggs" was great. But... yeah... I'll let you figure that out ^_^

Really? IMO, Season 2 is amazing! I feel the beginning, till "Ain't No Magic Mountain High Enough", is awesome, then takes a dip for about two episodes, and picks right back up at "The Rapes of Graff". Then, awesome episodes like "Plan B", "I Am God", "Look Who's Stalking", "Happy Go Lucky", and my favorite episode of the whole series, the season 2 finale, "not pictured".

[buffyholic]

OMG, since "Weapons of Class Destruction" to the end, it´s just amazing. Everything about the season is amazing but these episodes are superb. I was completely blown away by "A Trip to the Dentist", and I have no idea what to think of Logan. One minute, I think he´s innocent, the next that he´s guilty.
A lot of things start making a lot more sense now. I wasn´t really expecting that! And what about the finale? Awesome stuff, totally surprised by the real killer. That Lily was something, huh? Sleeping with Weevil, Logan and Aaron. I was also surprised in the fact that her parents thought Duncan did it. That is one family that I don´t want to have. But season 1 is just amazing, great plots and wonderful characters. My favourite is Veronica, Logan, Keith and Duncan (he became more interesting to me in the end).

Since I´m new to the VM fandom, can you tell what attracts to the show and your opinion on season two.

I´m also curious to see if the show stands up to a second viewing.

[Josh Grey]

OMG, since "Weapons of Class Destruction" to the end, it´s just amazing. Everything about the season is amazing but these episodes are superb. I was completely blown away by "A Trip to the Dentist", and I have no idea what to think of Logan. One minute, I think he´s innocent, the next that he´s guilty.
A lot of things start making a lot more sense now. I wasn´t really expecting that! And what about the finale? Awesome stuff, totally surprised by the real killer. That Lily was something, huh? Sleeping with Weevil, Logan and Aaron. I was also surprised in the fact that her parents thought Duncan did it. That is one family that I don´t want to have. But season 1 is just amazing, great plots and wonderful characters. My favourite is Veronica, Logan, Keith and Duncan (he became more interesting to me in the end).

Since I´m new to the VM fandom, can you tell what attracts to the show and your opinion on season two.

I´m also curious to see if the show stands up to a second viewing.

Congrats!! You finished watching one of the best seasons known to men ;)

Anyway, my attraction to the show was the witty lines and the originality I found in one other show which I'm a fan of... You might know it as 'Buffy' XD .
The detective work and mysteries are also a factor here. When I watched the last episode I fell out of my chair.

My opinions on season 2 are not quite established. So I can't really tell you. All I can say is that it is a really good season, with alot of good episodes that is fun to watch over and over again :)

[BlasterBoy]

What attracts me most to VM is the amazing dialouge, interesting mysteries, and awesome, awesome, and did I say awesome? characters....great stuff.

IMO, Season 2 is the best. It has the best mystery, it has great character stuff (as to not spoil you), awesome new characters, more Mac :heart:, and, overall, more supporting cast IMO. I just love it so much. Some episodes to look forward to.....(aka some best episodes of the series) "My Mother, The Fiend", "Plan B", "I Am God", "Happy Go Lucky", and my favorite episode ever, "Not Pictured". Love it.

[Signe]

Really? IMO, Season 2 is amazing! I feel the beginning, till "Ain't No Magic Mountain High Enough", is awesome, then takes a dip for about two episodes, and picks right back up at "The Rapes of Graff". Then, awesome episodes like "Plan B", "I Am God", "Look Who's Stalking", "Happy Go Lucky", and my favorite episode of the whole series, the season 2 finale, "not pictured".

I agree with "Plan B", I've watched that a sick amout of times and every time I re-watch season two I'm basically just counting down until I reach that episode. Loagn and *scratches head* I always forget her name, Woody's daughter, their conversation that ends with the "Tell me what you think about me" is hilarious!

As for season two as a whole, I like it. It doesn't have the same colourful youthful-ness that season one has. However, taking in consideration what happens to Veronica during first season one, then season two - it's a bit logical that they don't do it "bright and shiny" as much. I also love Logan in, well all seasons, but he gets to shine in season two. Becomes much more of a main character than he was in, especially in the beginning of, season one. I actually have this theory that every time I come across a "Logan" I have to love him because I always do - and my obsession with the name started on VM. Because VM is one of the best shows ever. It's got witty, not cliché, dialouges, great actors and, very often, excellent story lines and archs.

[LaJaula]

I would definitely say that Veronica Mars stands up to repeated viewings. I can't tell you how many times I've watched "An Echolls Family Christmas" on DVD. :)

Season Two is very good; it's major difference from Season One, as I think Rob Thomas or someone says on the DVD's, is that the focus isn't on Veronica and her life so much as the corruption of the entire town. Which is very interesting (and you'll get to see a Buffy alumna play a large part in that.) I don't think that the main mystery hooks you quite as much as the Lily one did, but if you stick with it, it turns out well in the end.

Another great thing about Season Two is that all of the supporting characters get their own storylines. They did in Season One too, but they were still all related to Lily's murder. In Season Two, I think that they all get fleshed out a little bit more and have their own independent crises and problems.

[buffyholic]

I really liked Lily´s murder, very interesting and with cool twists.
About season two, I´ll have to wait until the season comes out in my country. Maybe at the end of the summer or fall.

But really, I´ve become a VERONICA MARS FAN! I so loved season one and the characters. If I hadn´t known who created the series, I would have said it was Joss Whedon. That´s how much I love it!

[DigitalLeonardo]

I really liked Lily´s murder, very interesting and with cool twists.
About season two, I´ll have to wait until the season comes out in my country. Maybe at the end of the summer or fall.

But really, I´ve become a VERONICA MARS FAN! I so loved season one and the characters. If I hadn´t known who created the series, I would have said it was Joss Whedon. That´s how much I love it!

I wanna thank you for getting me back into rewatching Veronica Mars! I loved the series, I do but I put it on the side after season 3 came on DVD - it was the first season I didn't rewatch on DVD in almost one sitting.

Now I am going through the seasons to catch up and I've missed so much. There are alot things that just make me squeel! "Betty and Veronica" is still my favorite episode.

I think my least favorite part about season 2 and 3 is the lack of flashbacks. Season 2 does have a fair share - it does, but season 3 has one and kinda upset me cause the flashbacks were the style of the show.

[BlasterBoy]

I was rewatching some classic episodes/moments of Season 3 (because of buffyholic! :p), and I realized, it isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. This will be probably the most vague info for buffyholic :lol: I've always loved it. The worst of the three, easily, but I still love it. The new characters are a bit off, but I like the female :lol: While I hate some Logan moments in the first half of the season, I can get over it. I missed the flashbacks, and was very happy to see the series finale focus more on a favorite character of all of us! I'm sure ;) The way each character went out was fantastic, and if they really just promoted it better, this show would still be on. I love "Spit and Eggs". I love "Show The Monkey". I love "Mars, Bars", "Postgame Mortem", "Papa's Cabin", "Welcome Wagon", "Weevil's Wobble But They Don't Fall Down", and "The Bitch Is Back". I love them all. I find it a bit disappointing that most people don't even enjoy this season :( Like I said above, love a lot of episodes and I still love the characters, the mysteries, and the overall feel of the show. The transition between 2 and 3 or change of setting is always hard and you can see the bumps, but it's obvious they were just finding their footing. If they got a second chance and got promoted better, it would still be on. Just to show what it should've been promoted like, here's a fan-made trailer for 1.22 "Leave It To Beaver" that's just...mind blowing....

1x22 "Leave It To Beaver" Fan-Made Trailer
(http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=4wgrDWWY5nA)
And an amazing (my favorite vid on YouTube) video about VM Season 3. So, BUFFYHOLIC, DO NOT WATCH.....

"How Far We've Come" Season 3 Music Video (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=utLPfaBZ8kk)

[DigitalLeonardo]

Wow. Now that is a trailer!

Offical 1x22 "Leave It To Beaver" Trailer (http://youtube.com/watch?v=nn2u-UGELj8)

Compair the two... The fan made one is just so much better and makes me excited! The UPN one is so... long and yawnish. "Spit and Eggs" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=LqLvBuVa9RM) is my favorite trailer. It made me so e xcited for that episode, and it was truly an amazing episode.

My biggest erk with season 2 I think is... Uh, I think I'll spoiler this.

The totaly dropping of Wallace's mom. Where did she go? Season 1 finished with her and Keith together and they had a great thing, I love Veronica's line about bunkbeds eairler in the season. Then when season 2 came around she made like one apperance in the season finale... v.v...

I'm also upset about Jackie. I think she should have been in season 3. I would have loved an episode to newyork, maybe Jackie asking for Veronica's help so her and Wallace show up - Wallace got the shaft in season 3. The one major basketball episode Wallace had like 2 lines v.v...

Oh but buffyholic Season 2 has kinda the best slew of Buffyverse guest stars. We get Alyson Hannigan for an episode, Charisma Carpenter is a recurring guest star (and kinda the bombshell of the season) and even Joss Whedon guest stars in one of the funniest scnes of the season (though the blooper reel has an even funnier outtake of it).

[BlasterBoy]

Season 2.....

Yes, I understand Wallace's mom being upsetting. For some reason, Keith can never seem to keep a lady! :lol: I've never really paid much attention to it, to be honest. But, with Jackie, I loved her. Gave Wallace a great story and she had a wonderful personality. I would have liked to see her in Season 3, but I wouldn't say it's a fault of Season 2. Would you?

[buffyholic]

I just saw Veronica Mars again, this weekend. I saw six episodes with a friend and she really liked it. And I just loved it, more than the first time. I really like "The Wrath of Con" and the pilot, I love the pilot.

[DigitalLeonardo]

I just saw Veronica Mars again, this weekend. I saw six episodes with a friend and she really liked it. And I just loved it, more than the first time. I really like "The Wrath of Con" and the pilot, I love the pilot.

:roll: See, Veronica Mars brings people together. I did it with Alex (Magnetic Duty), and he loved it.

I actually gotta say "The Wrath of Con" is on the bottom of my list, only for the sole reason that Wallace's "girlfriend" never pops up and is never mentioned again and that erks me. I think Kyla Pratt was tossed into the show because she was in another UPN series (which was pretty popular at the time) and something UPN did a few times to boost VM's ratings (which is why America's Next Top Model used an apperance on the series as a prize) to get other fans to kinda move over.

The episode itself isn't bad, I just not a fan of it.

Wow, that was ramble v.v The Pilot rocks, and check out http://www.slaverats.com/ for the online commentary for the Pilot by creator Rob Thomas. Its totaly worth it to check out and really helps bringing some more light to the series.

[EndersWrath]

I was rewatching some classic episodes/moments of Season 3 (because of buffyholic! :p), and I realized, it isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. This will be probably the most vague info for buffyholic :lol: I've always loved it. The worst of the three, easily, but I still love it. The new characters are a bit off, but I like the female :lol: While I hate some Logan moments in the first half of the season, I can get over it. I missed the flashbacks, and was very happy to see the series finale focus more on a favorite character of all of us! I'm sure ;) The way each character went out was fantastic, and if they really just promoted it better, this show would still be on. I love "Spit and Eggs". I love "Show The Monkey". I love "Mars, Bars", "Postgame Mortem", "Papa's Cabin", "Welcome Wagon", "Weevil's Wobble But They Don't Fall Down", and "The Bitch Is Back". I love them all. I find it a bit disappointing that most people don't even enjoy this season :( Like I said above, love a lot of episodes and I still love the characters, the mysteries, and the overall feel of the show. The transition between 2 and 3 or change of setting is always hard and you can see the bumps, but it's obvious they were just finding their footing.
Season 3 spoilers .... HUGE spoilers. HUUUGE! (also, this isn't directed at you Ben, you just brought up Season 3 and I got into rant mode :lol: )
The worst episode of the season, no, series, was by far 'There's Got To Be A Morning After Pill". Just the way they totally blew away the continuity of the show, completely and utterly. I had always praised Veronica Mars for how it was able to seamlessly use its continuity, and bragged about it when other shows lacked it. Season 3 kinda of got rid of it, mainly about Veronica though, and he development through the seasons, and how she came to be the woman we see in that season. Though Season 3 did do great with how she reacted to Keiths infidelity, and her telling him he was her only light of hope and that he just diminished it. Other than that, it was pretty much thrown out the window. The BIGGEST thing that got me though was Veronica and Madison. Now I don't like Madison as a person and she is the biggest bitch in the verse, but she did NOT drug Veronica, and had no intention of that. Sure she called her a bitch on her car, but all that Madison knew was that Veronica was getting on her boyfriend. If ANYONE was to blame it would be Dick, for trying to give Madison the drug in the first place, and Veronica knew this. BUT of course if they used her to hate Dick, then how could they break up Logan and Veronica the way they did and give Veronica the upper hand in the relationship yet again? Even worse though? In a later episode Veronica takes a drink from a flask that Dick has. I believe its in 'Un-American Graffiti'. Yeah, because that is something that Veronica would really do.

As a whole, I do like Season 3, and I will admit to around the episode 'There's Got To Be a Morning After Pill' that I was going to jump ship, because honestly why continue to watch a show that they are butchering? I had gotten two more than amazing and incredible seasons, so why go on with something that I wanted to cringe at? I stuck it out and was happy that I did because 'Weevel's Wobble' and 'The Bitch is Back' are two very awesome and true to VM episodes.

What I won't forgive though? The killing of Don Lamb. I mean really! What was the point in that? To get Keith as actining Sheriff? Kinda lame, not gonna lie. They could have done a coma type thing and at least then we would have Keith as acting sheriff still. Whats worse is that it was an off screen death, that sucked. Hardcore. When they got rid of Don Lamb, they got rid of the noir in the show, or at least a HUGE part of it. I mean, if we got a season 4 (continued, not 4 years later) then we would have probably gotten the corruption from Vinnie and the Fitzpatricks and I suppose that would have sufficed, but Lamb didn't need to die. Period.

Now don't get me wrong, Veronica Mars will be and always has been one of my favorite Television shows of all time. Top 3? Maybe. Top 5? Definitly. It will always hold an amazing place in my heart and I just could never hate it in its entirety (is that a word?!). It had some amazing highs and some really low lows, but don't all shows that are amazing? Yeah, they do.

[buffyholic]

Yesterday, I just got great news about Veronica Mars. Season two is gonna be released here, soon. There aren´t any dates yet, but I´m sure it´s in August.

So, I wanna hear your opinions about it! I mean, I saw season one and I love it, the characters are interesting and the plots are great. The Lily Kane Murder is also great and I love the flashbacks.

Onto season two:

Is it on the same level as season one or it´s even better?
Do the characters remain interesting and are there new ones?

I heard Joss and Charisma have cameos on season two.

[Cell]

I like season two a bit more than season one because the story is a bit tighter. As far as characters go I like the brothers that take center stage, although Veronica's new girlfriend is annoying. That being said Duncan isn't around as much and that only means better TV.

[BlasterBoy]

Is it on the same level as season one or it´s even better?

It's better. The storyline is so much more interesting, IMO, and that's saying something seeing as the Lily Kane murder was amazing. You're gonna love it.

Do the characters remain interesting and are there new ones?

Charisma doesn't get a cameo. She gets A ROLE. She has multiple episodes, and she's in a scene with Alyson Hannigan (so awesome). Joss gets a cameo. Logan gets more screentime, as does Dick, and one of my fav characters, Mac. Beaver gets much more screentime, and that's awesome too. New characters? Hmm....Jackie. A black girl from a rich family that joins Neptune. Guess who has a crush on her?

That's enough from me.

[DigitalLeonardo]

I don't think its better. Season 1 will always be my favorite, the episodes just seemed tighter and there was a great path it went on. Season 2 is strong yes, we get some great stories and the mystery will have you pass out, but I just felt Logan began to overshadow Veronica (yes I will say it!).

Jackie Cook is a strange character... Not that she is strange, just how I don't think people much liked her to start with (she'll first pop up in episode 2) but as the season go we get alot more outta her (I don't think the writers 100% knew what they were gunna do with her) and she turns out better.

Both Dick and Beaver get upgraded to series regulars and get alot more screen time. I think its hard to adjust too at first, but they work well for all their appearances. Mac also gets alot more fleshed out (though don't expect any more on the whole Mac/Madison switched at birth thing), though we get one great scene with Mac and Madison XD, I won't spoil it for you, its near the end of the season.

But it is a pretty strong and solid season and if you enjoyed season 1, hold on and get ready to enjoy season 2! I think the best part of the season is the first half and the last 2 episodes.

And for those who have seen season 2...

I will also be a Duncan/Veronica shipper! So that is one reason I wasn't in love with season 2. Though I gotta say he had a great exit from the show and that is one of my top 5 episodes... poor Meg v.v

[buffyholic]

About season one, I have to ask: do your dvds have commentaries? Because I don´t have any of that, only some extended scenes and I would have loved to hear at least Rob Thomas.

[DigitalLeonardo]

About season one, I have to ask: do your dvds have commentaries? Because I don´t have any of that, only some extended scenes and I would have loved to hear at least Rob Thomas.

Sadly none of the season boxsets have full commentaries. Season 3 has commentaries on selected scenes (and they kinda suck... Rob Thomas is kinda full of himself...) season 2 has better special features but all in all Veronica Mars kinda got the shaft on special features.

I would have LOVED a commentary on "Leave it to Beaver" by Rob and Kristen Bell.

[Jenni Lou]

What happened with VM--it seems--is that they rushed the dvd releases hoping to garner more fans before the next season would begin. And as a result they had to skimp on the special features. That's the impression I got anyway.

[EndersWrath]

Season 1 will always have my favorite mystery, because the whole 'Who Killed Lily' thing was just amazing. Though Season 2 is my favorite because of how the characters developed. It just seems that in Season 2 everyone was much more comfortable with their roles and portrayed them so much better.

I do love Season 1 but Season 2 is just what made this one of my all time favorite shows ever.

[Dorian's Kitten]

So about ten days ago I watch Veronica Mars for the first time. Last night I finished the first season (second season is being shipped as we speak). Wow! How did I miss this for so long? I'm so hooked. Seriously, I made my husband watch like twelve episodes over this past weekend.

It was so well written. I loved the slow but steady progression on the Lily murder case as well as the case of the week set up. I was thrilled to see some of those characters return (especially in A trip to the Dentist). And mostly, of course, I love Logan and Veronica. It's perfect, like a balm on the open wound that is my need for more Spuffy. I've been a little spoilered, so I knew something would happen between them eventually before I started watching. It just meant that I noticed all the little hints that it was coming, but I was still blown away by that first kiss. Wow. I also especially loved the "what are we doing?" chat. They played that really well. Despite the advanced ages of the actors, they really captured that high school romance feel there-the heady mix of lust and nerves and dopey happy grins.

Veronica herself just rocks: clever, independent, stylish. I love that she is so warm despite the tough girl attitude. I love that she has the integrity to help even people that she doesn't like. The bit where she was baking the cookies and we found out that she was the one giving them to Wallace was perfect. I was really happy that she was honest with the cute Deputy about kissing Logan. That demonstrated a maturity that you rarely see in young tv women, but that I suspect exists quite frequently. I also love that she has a few flaws. She would have gone for the revenge, she doesn't deny it. And of course: trust issues! Ah Logan...you are in for a ride.
Anyway, I probably won't do much chatting until I finish the show-so as to avoid any more spoilers, but I just needed to come announce my newest love. :D I might need a new banner set to celebrate...hmmm.

[buffyholic]

I can´t believe I missed this as long as I did, too. Really, the show could be easily a Joss Whedon creation. But I´m a little upset though, season two will only be available here in September or late August.
But yeah, as soon as I saw it, I got totally hooked!

[TheChosen]

I miss Veronica Mars. I though Buffy was the best person in the world...until Veronica Mars. I thought her show was the best in the world...until Veronica Mars. I thought Sunnydale was the best place to live on earth...until i found Neptune. Veronica Mars was definitely the best show ever - emphasis on ever - and i miss it to death. I had heard about the show before but actually bought the season 1 dvd box set to see what it was like. I had finished the series in two weeks. I finished watching 'Leave it to Beaver'' exactly at 12:00 midnight of New Year's Eve. I had it planned out. The first thing i thought about and was doing at the first second of 2008 was watching Veronica Mars. I miss it so badly. Season two was awesome, 3 not as great but the preview for Season 4 looked amazing. But there is still a chance that it will come back in comics! Hopefully, because I miss my favourite sleuth to death.....

VERONICA MARS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Evan_Cooper]

I loved Veronica Mars. The first two seasons were great, but Season Three was really weak.

[carousel_girl8]

I have only recently seen Season 3 and I thought it was pretty good, I don't understand why so many people were so disappointed by it. The only thing I didn't like was Veronica and Logan breaking up again but who knows what would have happened, I think Veronica Mars deserved to get at least one more season.

[watcher1006]

Has anyone seen the feature film Mamma Mia? It features Amanda Seyfried in a leading role. Amanda Seyfried, of course, played Lilly Kane in VM.

I loved watching her in those off-color flashbacks of Lilly in Season 1 of the show. I'm not really inclined to see the movie Mamma Mia but it might be worth it just to see some more of her acting.

I don't know if they should make a movie sequel to Veronica Mars but I would love to see a prequel to the series with more of the story of Lilly and Veronica. Unfortunately, the time for that has probably passed.

[buffyholic]

Yeah, that is a good idea, I would love to see that! Some backstory to how Lily was and Veronica´s life was.

I am so glad that VM season 2 is being released finally. By the end of August, I will be the lucky owner of season 2. I will tell you what are my thoughts, then.

[Jenni Lou]

From Ausiello (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/08/exclusive-veron.html):

Yeah, yeah, okay, so it would've been kinda cool to be in Beijing last week when Michael Phelps won his record-shattering eighth gold medal. But it would've been even cooler to have had a ringside seat in Rob Thomas' office instead: At around the same time the man from Atlantis was making the splash heard 'round the world, the creator of Veronica Mars was sitting down with his beloved, lamented series' star, Kristen Bell, to discuss bringing the cult hit to the big screen.

Seriously.

The impromptu powwow took place last week in the offices of Thomas' Hollywood-based production company, which just so happens to be located on the same lot where Bell is shooting Heroes. "Kristen and I ran into each other, and we did discuss a Veronica movie," confirms Thomas, who says he has also had "a few conversations" with Mars executive producer Joel Silver.

"It's very tough to focus on it right now with two pilots on my plate," adds Thomas, referring to his two ABC projects, a reworking of his '90s dramedy Cupid and an adaptation of the New Zealand series Outrageous Fortune. "But as soon as I have any free time, that's my top priority."

For her part, Bell considers it a "major compliment" that people are still interested in Mars. "[Fans] still ask me all the time if the show's coming back. Emotionally, I don't want to think about Veronica Mars every day because it really does make me sad."

Regarding her recent chat with Thomas about a Mars feature, the star of Forgetting Sarah Marshall, perhaps not wanting to jinx things, flashes a Cheshire cat grin and says, "We'll see."

Translation: We're halfway there to getting this thing greenlit! Now let's take care of the other half by turning the comments section into a makeshift petition. Do you want to see a VM feature? Register your support below! (Additional reporting by Jeff Jensen)

[DigitalLeonardo]

This is good news, but I dunno how I feel about the news... There is so many ways this can go wrong... but its good to know that there is always Veronica Mars hope!

[skinless]

Some backstory to how Lily was and Veronica´s life was Yea that would be cool to see, More Lily is always a plus In my Book. And to that other little thing called a movie, I hope it goes through

[Kari]

I just started watching Veronica Mars today and I'm already hooked. I still have to see Mamma Mia too dangit. And I know Lily looked familiar *facepalm*

[buffyholic]

I just started season two this weekend, actually I saw nine episodes. And let me tell you, it is great. Season one was stronger, imo but this time we see more of the other characters than just Veronica´s life and I love it. Logan continues to be great and I just love Charisma´s role. Also, love the introduction of the brothers Casablanca and the bus crash mystery is interesting.
I´m hoping to watch some more tonight. Veronica rules!

[watcher1006]

I think Season 2 was well done but that Season 1 is the best. IMO none of the later mysteries is as good as the story of what happened to Lilly Kane, and I also loved all the stories in that first season of how Veronica assembled her oddball group of friends around her (Wallace, Mac, Meg, Weevil, and so on.)

[buffyholic]

What surprises me is how Veronica is still hated, this time for returning to her normal life. Keith/Veronica is still great and love how the other characters have their own stories. Their development, mainly Logan, is still a major plus.

[carousel_girl8]

I would love Veronica Mars to come back but I would rather the series came back, I'm not sure a film would be right especially if they had a mystery of some kind because the best ones were the ones that took the whole series to work out. A film wouldn't be long enough to show the best of VM.

[watcher1006]

We see a good deal of Wallace's story in Season 2. I liked his character very much from beginning to end. The bus crash, the Aaron Echolls trial, there are a couple of good long-running stories in this season.

Veronica is unpopular generally but she commands respect from those who don't like her as well as those who do. That's just another part of what gave this show some of the feel of the early Buffy seasons. It's fun how people may not know her, but they know ABOUT her and even some who don't like her come to her when they need help, like Logan in Season 1. As for Logan himself, I thought he was interesting but I never counted him among my favorite characters. Mixed feelings about him.

I would love Veronica Mars to come back but I would rather the series came back, I'm not sure a film would be right especially if they had a mystery of some kind because the best ones were the ones that took the whole series to work out. A film wouldn't be long enough to show the best of VM.

I don't know if a movie as a sequel to the series would work well. I didn't think the series transitioned well out of the high school setting in Season 3. I thought that BtVS did a considerably better job of making that jump. If they do make a movie I would prefer it to be set in Neptune High School. Unfortunately the actors who played the major characters are maturing past the age when they can still play teenagers.

[Cell]

I didn't think the series transitioned well out of the high school setting in Season 3. I thought that BtVS did a considerably better job of making that jump.

I don't think I could disagree more, I thought VM handled the jump to college a lot better. S3 of VM was a flawed season and nowhere near S2 or S1, but it was still a good season. Season 4 of Buffy on the other hand was atrocious, easily the worst season of the entire series and almost turned me off of the show completely.

[watcher1006]

I don't think I could disagree more, I thought VM handled the jumo to college a lot better.

Fine, you're free to disagree. But for the record I'm not a hater of BtVS Season 4. Although it's not my favorite season I like how it captured the feel of leaving home and leaving school to go to college. I don't think VM Season 3 with "Hearst College" did that as well. We saw Buffy and Co. thrust into new living conditions, new friends, new academic environment. The discontinuity between Season 3 and Season 4 was, I think a good representation of what many people feel when they go off to college. It certainly was for me.

[Heather]

By the way, for those who haven't heard already, Ausiello at Entertainment Weekly said this week that he was told by Rob Thomas that, if it is greenlit and goes into production, the "Veronica Mars" movie will feature Veronica solving mysteries in college. He wants to do this because it's the most realistic and reasonable approach and because he wants the entire cast back for the movie (if possible).

The FBI storyline that was pitched for season 4 was, according to Rob Thomas, a last ditch effort to get renewed and that he has no intention of continuing it in the film.

I'm just so excited about the idea of "Veronica Mars" coming to the big screen. I mean, seriously. It may not get outstanding Box Office numbers, so we probably won't get a sequel, but it could also seriously make VM a cult phenomenon - years after the show ended. It'd be awesome. DVD sales might skyrocket and the fanbase might grow even bigger.

I just...I so hope that this happens.

[buffyholic]

I finished S2 this weekend and let me tell you, it was awesome! "Not Pictured" blew my mind, I thought Beaver was too quiet, but ultimately a good guy. When Veronica had the gun in her hands, I really thought she was gonna kill him. "Happy Go Lucky" was great too.

S2 was just amazing. I loved how they developed more characters, like Wallace. We find out more about him, we see more Mac. Veronica still rocks and Logan continues a great journey. I also love Kendall Casablancas, great addition, we see more Weevil. I was only sorry to see Meg leave! The bus crash mystery was good, with some other underlying mysteries. I still think S1 is better than S2, but S2 is pretty awesome too.

btw, does anyone know the name of the actor who plays Aaron Echolls? He is amazing.

[watcher1006]

Aaron Echolls is played by Harry Hamlin. He was a big star of a show called L.A. Law which ran from '86-'94.

[buffyholic]

Thanks for the info. The actor is just amazing, you can really tell someone is doing a good job if we end up hating that character.

Another thing, can you tell what more Kirsten Bell did? And Alonna Tai, the girl who plays Meg?

[Josh Grey]

Thanks for the info. The actor is just amazing, you can really tell someone is doing a good job if we end up hating that character.

Another thing, can you tell what more Kirsten Bell did? And Alonna Tai, the girl who plays Meg?

Before Veronica Mars, Kristen Bell did very small parts like Deadwood and Everwood. She also did a lifetime movie.

Alona Tal is an actress from Israel, I think. She guest stars on shows like Supernatural, Cold Case, CSI etc...

[Kold]

Having just finished season 2 I found that it really ramped up the action and plotting from the first season. I have to admit that I didn't actually watch all of the episodes of Season 1, although I did follow the plot well and loved the final episode. Season 2 was even better in quality, intricately creating a network of villains and question marks in shadowy Neptune -- the Fitzpatricks, Thumper, Aaron Echolls, Kendall, Woody Goodman, Terrence Cook and the casino owner he owes, the Manning parents, Lucky, truly everyone until finally landing on the big one, Cassidy. I found the comment by Jackie in "Ain't No Magic Mountain High Enough", something to do with everybody in the school being corrupt, very apt.

Veronica of course is a masterfully written character, and played by one of the best actresses the small screen has ever seen in Kristen Bell. The main problem of the show has always been in the painfully written and acted romantic males, Duncan and Logan. Each episode both seemed to be competing with one another as to who could be more painful to watch -- they truly are frighteningly annoying characters. Thankfully Duncan started to improve somewhat and then was written out in the most inspired of ways. I felt that "Donut Run" wrote him out with a great deal of justice for the character, and it was one of the best episodes with a payoff I didn't see. Lucy Lawless also made a wonderful guest star.

I enjoyed the development of Jackie's character from a character easy to loathe to one I really liked -- "Ain't No Magic Mountain High Enough" was where this really started to show. By the end of the series she was the saving grace of many of Wallace's scenes, who is a fairly bland character. The storyline with his father early in the season was one of the season's weakest points.

Weevil and Keith are always appreciated, well written and well played. Cassidy of course had to be a star for the season given the pay-off, and Dick, although not a particularly important player in any one episode or plotline, was a necessary star to make an important plot point believe. As Cassidy's older brother, he had to make it believable that Cassidy would prefer to kill a bus full of people (and more still) than have his history of abuse known. Cassidy is a very interesting character, sort of the anti-Veronica, male and aloof from the people he manipulates, but "created" by sexual assault just as she was (ironic that he was the perpetrator for her tragedy) and intent of outdoing and outmanouevring her. It's a lovely sign of writers doing their jobs when the pieces fit together -- Cassidy's anxieties about sleeping with Mac earlier in the season, Peter the bus victim gearing up for the "outing of all outings" actually referring to Woody Goodman and then in Veronica's head asking why he would even be at the baseball field trip, etc. The list goes on.

I thought it was a great improvement from season 1, which while good was just a "casual watch".

[carousel_girl8]

S2 was just amazing. I loved how they developed more characters, like Wallace. We find out more about him, we see more Mac. Veronica still rocks and Logan continues a great journey. I also love Kendall Casablancas, great addition, we see more Weevil.

I agree, one of my favourites in Season 2 is Dick Casablancas and I don't think we saw enough of him in Season 1. I also found Duncan more fun in Season 2 I think he had some pretty good comedy moments. I think on the whole, Season 2 was a lot funnier too.

[Jenni Lou]

I have to admit that I didn't actually watch all of the episodes of Season 1, although I did follow the plot well and loved the final episode.

I thought it was a great improvement from season 1, which while good was just a "casual watch".

What eps did you skip? If you don't mind listing a few.

I like season one better myself. But there are so many reasons why we may disagree on this. I watched the episodes on a week-by-week basis when they aired. Having watched season tow this way, rather than back to back, I fear it might have felt sluggish and a little sloppy. Sometimes viewings really are best doing it marathon style on dvd. I know 24 works best this way, for sure! Also, I never rewatched season two as a whole. And that might actually help with me liking it more. I've seen a few of the eps more than once but I really should rewatch the whole thing at some point. After all, I do have the dvds...

[DigitalLeonardo]

What eps did you skip? If you don't mind listing a few.

I like season one better myself. But there are so many reasons why we may disagree on this. I watched the episodes on a week-by-week basis when they aired. Having watched season tow this way, rather than back to back, I fear it might have felt sluggish and a little sloppy. Sometimes viewings really are best doing it marathon style on dvd. I know 24 works best this way, for sure! Also, I never rewatched season two as a whole. And that might actually help with me liking it more. I've seen a few of the eps more than once but I really should rewatch the whole thing at some point. After all, I do have the dvds...

Season 2 week-by-week was sloppy. I felt the episodes just didn't connect and kinda seeing what they were doing with Meg's character and how they were handling the Duncan story just felt very weak to me.

By the time we hit the season finale it still all felt very disconnected and that there was nothing leading up to the reveal of Beaver and that it was too shock factor.

But watching the DVDs its like... Oh wow. I get it now. It all makes sense!

Season 1 will always be my favorite it always just felt right and watching it week-by-week it kept you on your toes. I dunno if I can explain it better, but season 1 just felt so well planned and wrapped together that I loved it! Season 2 (after watching the DVDs) was also pretty awsome... then there was season 3... (the season that never happend :err:)

[watcher1006]

I saw Mamma Mia last Tuesday. It's doing well at the box office and it's having an extended run here in the United States. Somehow not surprisingly, it is doing even better internationally, where more than half of its receipts have come in. I liked it. Not a heavy movie by any means, it was a lot of fun, a feel-good production. I never saw the live play and didn't know the story. I think it doesn't matter much for enjoying the movie whether you know the story already or not, but I won't post any plot spoilers here, just some of my own opinions and comments.

The scenery of the Greek Islands is very beautiful. I'd love to visit there someday.

I think the ABBA songs are well adapted in the musical. It's remarkable that those songs from the 70s still have such wide appeal.

As a movie musical it's well acted. Meryl Streep's acting skills are well documented. She's also a fine singer. As are Christine Baranski and Julie Walters, her two sidekicks in the cast. Overall the women sang and danced better than the lead trio of male actors - Pierce Brosnan, Stellan Skarsgård, and Colin Firth, but imo everyone did fine, nobody embarassed himself or herself. I loved hearing Amand Seyfried sing. I read that she did operatic voice training growing up. Oh yes, she can sing up a storm, and her solos were sweet. Of course it goes without saying that she's totally watchable, with her baby big-wide eyes and thousand watt smile.

I read that Amanda Seyfried was an also-ran for the title character part in VM, losing out to Kristen Bell. It's a hard for me to imagine her as Veronica, she's so totally Lilly. But I also read that Lilly appeared more in Season 1 than originally planned because she was so appealing to the viewers. The part of Sophie in Mamma Mia is a bit reminiscent of Lilly Kane - sunny, wild, impetuous, minus the dark side. Even if neither she nor Kristen Bell ever appears in the setting of Veronica Mars again I hope that they appear together on screen again somewhere someday. For the record Kristen Bell can also sing, as she demonstrated at several points in the series.

[DigitalLeonardo]

I read that Amanda Seyfried was an also-ran for the title character part in VM, losing out to Kristen Bell. It's a hard for me to imagine her as Veronica, she's so totally Lilly. But I also read that Lilly appeared more in Season 1 than originally planned because she was so appealing to the viewers. The part of Sophie in Mamma Mia is a bit reminiscent of Lilly Kane - sunny, wild, impetuous, minus the dark side. Even if neither she nor Kristen Bell ever appears in the setting of Veronica Mars again I hope that they appear together on screen again somewhere someday. For the record Kristen Bell can also sing, as she demonstrated at several points in the series.

Yep that is true. Rob Thomas has said that a few times that Lilly Kane was only going be in a few episodes through out the season but Lilly just became a powerhouse of her own (I think all because of Amanda Seyfried) She in total made 10 appearences in season 1, then following 1 more guest spot in the season 2 finale. I think there was a total opening for her to be in season 3... but they kinda failed and it wrecked that entire episode cause all you can think is... I wish Lilly was actually here...

I would have loved more of her (haha I always wanted her as a series regular) she was just such a blast.

And yes, I think her and Kristen Bell have such a great onscreen chemstry and it would be a blast to seem them together on screen again.

[assydingo]

The acting is universally top-notch, the writting is witty at an almost Buffy level sometimes, and I love the characters.

Drama wise though it's a bit to soap-opera a lot of the time.

[Signe]

I would have loved more of her (haha I always wanted her as a series regular) she was just such a blast.

And yes, I think her and Kristen Bell have such a great onscreen chemstry and it would be a blast to seem them togeth