Moonlight: Season 1 Discussion [Archive]

sherrilina

28-10-07, 10:32 AM

I know there's another thread about Moonlight, but that was about whether it was just like Angel or not--I thought there should be a thread discussing the show in general like some of the other new shows have.

Personally I've been very impressed with Moonlight since the first or second epp--it has REALLY improved dramatically since the pilot, perhaps thanks to David Greenwault's last minute help. I especially liked the last three epps: Fever was really exciting and thrilling, almost like a 24 episode or something, and was amazing even without the presence of Josef! ;) Meanwhile tonight's epp was great as well; I loved the kiss at the end! Sophia Myles and Alex O'Loughlin really do have some great chemistry, and they played that scene really well IMO--you could tell how badly Mick yearned for more! ;) Honestly, I do think his acting is improving--he seems to be good at wry humor at least--I loved when he raised the one eyebrow at the woman shouting at him as he commented in VO about humans liking to shout in the last epp! :lol: And again, the MoTW was not something covered in ATS--not that any of them strictly are actually. The in-between shots are still a bit rip-offy, but for the most part the show stands on its own two legs IMO--which is great, b/c the world can always use another good vampire show! :D

I just hope it gets a full season...at least I heard that CBS has asked for 4 more scripts, which is supposedly a good sign....

Anyway, anyone else enjoy the show? What are your thoughts on the season so far? Do you think the relationship b/t Mick and Beth is moving too fast? (Poor Josh!)

Ehlwyen

29-10-07, 04:55 AM

I adore Moonlight! It's fast become one of the few shows I look forward to each week!!! I can't get enough of it.:heart:

Fever was my favorite. Vampires, in the desert, needing ice water, brilliantly fresh! And whew, Mick feeding off Beth was definitely a hell of a first kiss. :xd

I liked seeing how each of them awkwardly reacted to that shared moment in this week's episode. And then finally get a real kiss at the end. I had to rewind the moment a few times because that smile at the end was one of the most joyous and carefree smiles ever. After ATS, Happy is a refreshing emotion to see. :heart:

I love how Mick has this wide range of emotions. He has regret over being a vampire, but he knows that's the hand fate dealt him. He doesn't weigh himself down with remorse of the vampire's curse but instead tries to live each day in the best way he, Mick St. James the human, can.

Vampire stories have been quite scarce in the past decade since Buffy and Angel were the foremost pop cultural vampiric tale. All other production companies steered clear of vampires for fear of being compared. So I'm really glad for a new type of vamp tale and this one really has a lot of potential as well as already served up many delightful moments.

I do think the Pilot was a mess. It's to be expected from the number of different creative minds rewriting the episode. But what emerged is definitely strong and each week has been more and more engaging.

I have not found Mick's acting to be a problem. For me it has been the interaction between characters that has been weak. And I think that is because the director has not been giving the actors proper feedback and direction. An actor really doesn't know how they are appearing on screen until it is much too late for the scene.

I love the costume director and director of photography. The show looks gorgeous and the clothing looks so sleek and matches the tone of the show. And I'm not one for fashion, but Mick's suits and jackets have been droolicious.

I think the story is about Mick and Beth and this moment in time that they are each this same age. So I don't exactly believe the show is moving too fast. Not to mention, a show really has to show its stuff the first few episodes if it wants to pull in viewers and be picked up. I believe there is more Mick and Beth backstory to be revealed. He has watched her since she was a young child and he'll keep watching her grow old while he stays the same. He's trying to hold her away from this while she's the one so drawn to him. I love how Mick is such a warm, thoughtful, and emotional man. Whereas the stereotype of a dead monster vampire is the exact opposite.

The narration is such a comfort to me. I love how it lets us see the world through his eyes more than seeing it through your own. Maybe they aren't the most poignant revelations, but each of his life views aptly sets the tone of the episode as we see the truth of the view unfold. I also love how it allows for snarky comments when speaking aloud would ruin everything. It's nice that he can remain so stoic on the outside but so alive and funny on the inside.

Anyway, back to Mick and Beth. There's also the whole Coraline story to be dealt with. There are so many promos and article references with Shannon Sossamyn that I have to believe her character has more of a role than a few shadowy flashbacks. I also think that once the show gives its full attention to the Mick and Beth relationship, it will then delve more into the vampire culture and politicking. Josef is too rich a character to only have a few minutes per episode devoted to him.

I truly adore this show and may be my second fave show on tv. Chuck is fighting it tooth and nail. Supernatural obviously my fave. Anyway, I'm thinking about downloading from itunes all the episodes so I can rewatch them. I've been afraid to tape the show for fear of jinxing how good it has been. :lol:

BlasterBoy

03-11-07, 05:31 AM

Well, unfortunately, I've only seen the first episode and did not like it. But, with some convincing from my friend, Katharine ;) and some luck, I saw the last half of tonight's episode.

And I really, really liked it.

I loved the whole idea of a vampire fix and the scene in the club was love :heart: :lol: I also liked when Beth got her fix. And Josef is awesome, still :lol: The last scene with el Lola fight was nice, and cool to see her side of the story. Not much more to say seeing as I've only seen 1 1/2 episodes :lol:

sherrilina

03-11-07, 06:38 AM

Still waiting to see tonight's epp, but I saw this article on syfy portal that made me dance with glee! :2party:

http://www.syfyportal.com/news424361.html

Things seem to be looking up for Moonlight--maybe its chances of a full season aren't so crazy after all! :D *vigorously knocks on wood*

Ehlwyen

03-11-07, 10:06 AM

Yeah, Moonlight has been having pretty decent ratings (for a vampire show, on Friday night, and lots of neg press). And it also usually has most of its episodes in the top 100 itunes downloads. Which reminds me, I need to do that.

I love the Mick/Beth relationship. Tonights episode was to die for quotable, particularly the scene outside the club.

This show seems to have a concentrated purpose and design and I have to appreciate that and believe it will lead to further solid episode. This show always leaves me with a smile and the "awwwwww don't make me wait a WHOLE week until the next episode" feeling. Maybe more so than any other show on right now.

It's managed to capture the breathtaking autonomy that Lestat exuded in early Anne Rice novels (minus the arrogance). There's also that sense of wonder yet worldliness. In the Buffyverse, vampires were trapped and confined by their need to "be evil" or like Angel brood about it. I love how Moonlight really just has portrayed vampires as basically just like humans. Obviously there are the miscreants that cause trouble, but humans have their fair share of that. Mostly the vampires just want to live in the world and enjoy it.

I also love the filming of the show, the coloring and lighting/darkness, and background elements. Visually everything feels alive and almost tactile or stimulating to the senses. And this episode really brought home how the show is doing this on purpose to illustrate the preternatural senses of the vampire. I love the scene when Beth is describing how she can feel all the molecules of air. How amazing does that sound? And then it's followed by the beautiful shower scene with all the droplets of water lit like diamonds. Truly alive. :heart:

Well I rambled too long on other posts, I'll have to come back with a better review on this episode. This show could really be heading in an interesting direction if they don't mess it up by doing something cliche. Pretty much everything else has been fresh or at least a new perspective.

sherrilina

06-11-07, 09:54 PM

Okay, so according to RedEye, Moonlight has 11 out of 13 ordered scripts done-meaning 5 more epps, and that it "has not received an order for a full season"--now this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but then for other shows it inserted the word "yet" in there, as if it was still up in the air for other shows, but not for Moonlight. Now I'm not sure if this is deliberate, or just a mistake or bias against Moonlight (which I've seen a lot against critics). Anyone know more? :(

At least we'll be getting 5 more epps!

Chosen1

10-11-07, 05:35 AM

Has anyone seen tonight's episode? If so, what did you think?

KingofCretins

10-11-07, 06:19 AM

I saw it. It was better when it was Angel 2.05 "Dear Boy". Seriously, this was a complete flaming ripoff of that episode. I don't know if I feel better or worse about that knowing that David Greenwalt was involved with the show at one point.

The show isn't all bad. I don't find the more Anne Rice-ian, emo, long-suffering idea of vampires as the more classical view brought back to prominence in the Buffyverse, but it's not badly done. I think Jason Dohring is doing a solid job.

Chosen1

10-11-07, 06:31 AM

I saw it. It was better when it was Angel 2.05 "Dear Boy". Seriously, this was a complete flaming ripoff of that episode.

Wow, I so didn't even realize that until right now, haha, where was I? Other than that, and the many other similarities to Angel, I actually think this show is alright. When I saw the first episode I was not a fan, haha. All I could think of was that I was watching an Angel 2.0, but it has grown on me. :)

slaycandy

10-11-07, 06:35 PM

I have to say I actually prefered this to Angel 2.05 Dear Boy. When watching that, everyone was aware that Darla was back from the dead, how it happened, and who she was working with - so watching it, everyone knew Angel was correct in saying it was Darla from the start.

With Moonlight however, I was genuinely wondering if Morgan was Corraline(sp?). Here we had Josef, another vampire who had known her for longer, completely buying into her Morgan story, and Mick, the only one completely convinced that she is Corraline. At the end of the day, I sort of knew it was going to turn out to be her, as I didn't think they would have Mick go through all of that for it to turn out to just be some random person. However, I really enjoyed the way they let it play out, with Mick and Josef both with their competing views on Morgan, and the questions the episode left us with: will Beth remember what happened? Why is Corraline back? How is Corraline back? And so on, I think it made for an interesting episode that left us with a lot of things to find out in the coming episodes, whereas the Angel ep didn't do that for me.

The other thing is, Darla wasn't trying to replicate her death scene and throw it in Angel's face, she was pretending to be someone else, with a family and a life, that Angel just happened to see, and just happened to follow. Whereas this was far more deliberate at personally attacking Mick by mirroring Corraline's death scene systematically, and getting much further under his skin than I think Darla's plan did to Angel.

But, I also liked how Mick believes her to be Morgan at the end of it, giving in to the idea that he is allowing his mind to play tricks on him; when in fact he was right all along. With the Dear Boy episode, Angel found out it obviously was Darla, and so did everybody else. This episode leaves far open, as to what is going to happen in the future, and I kind of love that about this episode.

Okay, so when I first started watching Moonlight, I didn't think the day would ever come when I was defending it against Angel, but hey, I am! I really enjoyed this episode, and have actually been loving the series so far (episode 2 onwards anyway) and it definitely seems to be picking up in stride, and with these new twists I can't wait to see what happens. Not to menton Mick and Beth's characters are seriously growing on me... but one question..... where the hell was Beth's usual camera-man??? I love him, :(

Well, that's me done for now,
SJ
xox

Ehlwyen

11-11-07, 12:12 AM

I saw it. It was better when it was Angel 2.05 "Dear Boy". Seriously, this was a complete flaming ripoff of that episode. I don't know if I feel better or worse about that knowing that David Greenwalt was involved with the show at one point.
Uh, the practice of supposedly dead loves coming back is a long time staple of soaps. Angel didn't invent it. At no point did it feel like some uber-evil law firm has decided to screw with his happy life. Corraline is pure possessive and selfish twisted whim. It's so wrong how she has twice pulled Beth into her web to trap Mick. :heart:

The show isn't all bad. I don't find the more Anne Rice-ian, emo, long-suffering idea of vampires as the more classical view brought back to prominence in the Buffyverse, but it's not badly done. I think Jason Dohring is doing a solid job.

Emo? Louis is an exception to Anne Rice novels. Personal whims, obsessive egomaniacal designs, and vapid personal introspection make up most of her novels. While broodiness and emo tortured attitude is Angel from minute one in BTVS. And then Spike probably around Fool for Love.

Moonlight's Mick has been relatively free of all the angst, torture, and personal grandstanding of both Buffyverse and Anne Riceverse. Sure it's coming, but adding the angst is pretty basic formula for any show. :rolleyes:

If I loved last week for all the happy, I loved this one for all the twists and dark obsessiveness. As much as I knew it had to be Coraline, I couldn't find any flaw in her performance to prove it was her until the final reveal. Though I did find it cute that Mick could believe it was possible for her to somehow be human but not to have gotten a tattoo removed...or covered it as we found out. Loved that final scene as Coraline turns away from Beth, smirks and saunters to her mirror to revel in her win. Lovin' the music on the show. The first episode seemed weak with Ev's My Immortal, but since then it's all been non-popular but still entrancing.

I loved how the flashbacks were done. Especially the first one where the entire world was black and white and only Coraline was in color. Alive and passionate. I also loved the symbolism of her keeping the glass window between them just daring him to break though it and his human inhibitions. Bravo, Coraline. I hope you continue to bring meaningful games to the show.

So poor Beth once again pushed aside like an innocent child pawn while the adults squabble. I wonder when she will get filled in on her previous role in the Coraline/Mick relationship.

Josef was great! His animation while they tried to draw Coraline out of the lie had me giggling. And Coraline impressed me to no end that she managed to keep a straight face the entire time and not laugh. Josef's rusty vampire moves was good for a laugh and on the interesting side that here's a vampire proud of his vampirism but becoming domesticated and bound to worldly things and losing touch with the night.

slaycandy

11-11-07, 12:29 AM

Josef was great! His animation while they tried to draw Coraline out of the lie had me giggling. And Coraline impressed me to no end that she managed to keep a straight face the entire time and not laugh. Josef's rusty vampire moves was good for a laugh and on the interesting side that here's a vampire proud of his vampirism but becoming domesticated and bound to worldly things and losing touch with the night.

OMG the idea of Jason being a vampire was what drew me to the show in the first place, I was a huge Logan fan from VM; but I think that JD has just slipped into this character with such ease, and the scenes in this ep were no exception: I thought Josef was great throughout the episode (and also in last week's), but I loved how he tried to keep Mick grounded, and we really saw the side to Josef where he really does care about what is going on in Mick's life, and he really does consider him a great friend and even goes along with him on his investigation, almost keeping an eye on him, :D

Although, what I'd really love to see, is when Josef and Mick first meet. Also, was that Josef in Coraline's appartment when Mick went to the door? I found it odd we never saw his face, and was sitting thinking, omg! It's Josef! But hey, that's probably my over-active imagination, :P

I love the parallel you pulled out of Josef and his attitude toward vampirism and what it means to him; but what I love about Mick's attitude toward it is that as much as he would go back to being human in a heartbeat (:P) he is so at ease with his vampire attributes and what they allow him to do, I reckon he'd be lost if he were human again, IMO.

Anyway, rambling done. Not my most thought-out thoughts, I'm having a brain-dead day, :P
SJ
xox

Ehlwyen

11-11-07, 01:28 AM

Rambling good! I too wondered if it might be Josef as well. Why didn't we see?! So either there's another connection between the three or it leaves it open for another player. I love how this show has created this tanged mess of history. We know enough to understand the general plot, but they are able to slowly reveal tasty tidbits which add new dimensions to the story we feel is the truth.

I agree I love how Mick is so comfortable with being a vampire. The "I would go back" statements actually feel out of character and I think it may be his love for Beth. He's obviously drawn to her but would never betray her like Coraline did to him and turn Beth. Also, since Coraline burned him so badly I think he involuntarily associates and fears all relationships will have that same element. Sophia Myles has captured Beth with such childlike openness, I think Mick would hate to do anything to jeopardize Beth's view of the world. Not to mention Coraline pulled Beth into this world in the first place and that memory haunts him.

Josef was destined to rule as a character once Dohring was attached. From Logan he has perfected untouchable dashing arrogance. He channels it unashamedly but Lola made a heck of a reveal into his character last week when she likened him to Mick among other things. It makes oh so much more sense why the two are friends. Which is something I have puzzled considering their two disparate world views. Perhaps Josef was even more like Mick and then the years changed him. Then this week, I got the sense of the two actually just being opposing halves of the same mind just separated by time and experience.

Immortality and the passing of time are such an important part to the vampire's curse, yet, they aren't so often explored in tv shows. So this is another reason I appreciate the flashbacks to time periods that don't feel archaic and unfamiliar like in BTVS/ATS. The passing of time feels more real and easier to grasp. Though Josef's random jokes such as "when I was four it was 1599" are hilarious.

See I can ramble too!

ThePoet's<3

14-11-07, 08:01 AM

I AM LOVING THE HECK OUT OF THIS SHOW!!

Thanks Sherillina for starting a new thread to discuss it!!

So far - loved every episode! But Fever and Arrested Development have been two of my favorites!

The BITE in Fever was so GOOD!!! But the Kiss is AD was - meh. It was a little to sweet and chaste for my taste - but I am a "randy devil".

Absolutely love the connection between Mick and Beth - they have good chemistry - but Sophia could have carried the "jealousy" scenes just a little bit more - I wasn't completely convinced.

Jason Doering is just amazing! Loved him in AD - the whole staring at Beth thing - was so funny!

If the Ringer was a Rip-off of AtS Dear Boy - then I'm sure Dear Boy was a rip-off of Forever Knight. Actually as the show continues I see more comparison with Knight than AtS. Which is good - because FK was a great show!

Alex O'Loughlin is just GORGEOUS! And he morphs so well into each era. His skills are definitely getting better with every episode.

I think you have something there Ehlwyn - perhaps Josef started out so much like Mick in the beginning - even looking for a way out - a cure for vampirism - that as time as passed he has given up his humanity. It may actually be more frightening for him to return to being a human. But for Mick - he's still a "young" vampire and can remember certain "human" traits - the smell of a steak at a certain restaurant. It may be easier for him to make the transition back - if ever there was one.

In FK they addressed it in an episode as being a "Vampire Fable" that Vampires could become human again... The lead vampire detective "Nick" was always seeking a way to become human.

I love this show - and I'm really glad it's doing fairly well in the ratings. Maybe we will see more after the holidays.

ThePoet's<3

17-11-07, 05:11 AM

What a great episode!!! Loved the whole storyline!

I have to tell you - one of the reasons I like this show is because Mick is not a "wimpy" vampire! I love the fight scenes between Mick and the other vampires!!

And what about our balcony scene at the end?/ They really have such a sweet thing going on between them - it's irresistable.

Wow!! The scenes from next week between he and Corraline look very HOTT!

Marie

17-11-07, 09:32 AM

It's not that I don't enjoy watching this series - I do - but it's for the romance between Mick and Beth, and I can drive a freakin' truck through the various lame pretexts employed by the writers to account for WHY they aren't able to get together - which frustrates me to no end!

ie: my post is a critical lament, a product of wanting to see something we haven't already ( alla Whedon's star-crossed lovers; sigh.)

Take tonight's episode "12:04 AM"....

Beth discovers the truth at last. It was Mick who saved her all those years ago. Her reaction? She's found her mysterious guardian angel and happy to have done so. She just wanted to know why he couldn't tell her, etc.

CLEARLY she's okay with it, Mick! She doesn't look at you like you're this evil guy who murdered his wife and then set about stalking a blonde for the next 15 years. CLEARLY she finds you attractive! BIG green light!

Oh but I can't... I'm a Vampire; we have no future. I can't stay out in the desert sun for more than a few HOURS, I'm only able to resist feeding on humans unless I'm at death's door & desperate and forced to let you donate a pint, and obviously that's gonna happen a lot so we can't risk it. As I'm a monster struggling to deny my natural instincts - just ask Joseph, he knows all about those. And unlike him, I can't enjoy being a Vampire; I mean, just because I have this intense gaze and smoldering bedroom eyes, doesn't mean I don't know that it's wrong to drink blood from people willing to give it freely in exchange for great sex. Because I do. I'm the hero. It's on my resume. So we're doomed Beth, DOOMED!

WTF?!

Ie: I hate the milking. And the endless lame obsticles used to keep these two apart. We've been there and done that already for years in the Jossverse, no? Via: I can't - I have a gypsy curse! She won't - I don't have a soul! Oh the weight and burden etc etc. Sigh.

Now, "Blood Ties" is admittedly a weaker, low-budget Canadian series with none of the production values of this better produced effort by CBS. But at least Henry Fitzroy doesn't have tedious crosses to bear. And I wish they'd do that on Moonlight. Lift it above roads well-travelled already, and explore new ground, you know? For I really love the relationship between Beth and Mick ( it's why I watch the series ) and I want to them pursue it in earnest. Not circling endlessly around it, season after season.

For at the end of the day (imo) no one watches these Vampire shows because they love Agatha Christie or Columbo. It's not about detective work or crime solving. It's about passion. And wanting to see it. :)

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Ehlwyen

18-11-07, 12:14 AM

I believe you're transferring too much of your Buffy/Angel frustration on this show. When I watch this show I consistently think how refreshing it is that it isn't mired in all the brooding and regret of being a vampire.

Personally I am glad that Mick isn't ready to dive into bed with Beth. Just because two people are attracted to each other does not mean that they have to immediately start a deep relationship. Their friendship and flirtatious dance of attraction has been very free for me.

Also I would have been extremely disappointed if his "secret" of being her guardian angel/stalker over all these years was the real reason standing between a romantic relationship between them.

Right now, I'm guessing Coraline as that obstacle. Coraline brought Beth into Mick's life and I have to believe that Mick can't forget that. Especially now that Coraline has recently manifested as Morgan. Last week, we heard Mick obsessively recall the FEVER that Coraline elicited in him. My heart broke as he said this honestly and obliviously in front of Beth and she realized he didn't feel that way about her. Mick's going to have to come to some peace about Coraline/Morgan before he will pursue something with Beth.

Mick has been around for 80 years, the span of a few months is barely anything to him. Mick is also a very steady person more geared to thinking, planning, and a long courtship. Which is why the fever Coraline evokes in him is so compelling to him.

No doubt Mick has feelings about Beth. But they are more rooted with the human aspect that still remains of Mick. I do not find it coincidental that the episode in which he drinks of Beth is called Fever as well. As much as he wants to be human, he'll always be drawn to the fire of vampirism.

But right now vampirism is interlocked with Coraline. And therefore cannot yet reconcile his human and vampire selves to a whole in which to love Beth and have a deep romantic relationship with her.

ThePoet's<3

18-11-07, 06:10 AM

I do understand and identify with your frustration Marie...

It's refreshing to finally have a vampire that "embraces" his vampire life AND manages to do good as well.

My frustration of Blood Ties in comparison with Buffy/Angel (before Moonlight) was the fight scenes and Henry sometimes coming off a little "wimpy". But now I think it was mostly due to the budget constraints as Henry seems a little more "fiercer" this Season compared with last.

Which leads into why I liked Moonlight immediately - finally got my fighting vampire back!

In regards to the Corraline/Mick/Beth tri - another draw for Mick is the thought that maybe Coraline has found a way to become human again. Which could offer the opportunities of a "normal" relationship with Coraline - a second chance so to speak - or a "normal" relationship with Beth.

I'm really curious as to whether Coraline has truly found a way to become human again...

Methusla

18-11-07, 09:12 PM

Ah Mick you can bite me anytime! As a matter of fact I wouldn't mind having a little nibble at your neck? What do you see in that Beth creature anyway?
You must have a great time at your high school reunions, you could go as your own grandson!
I really want to know why you sleep in a freezer? Do you go off otherwise?I'd quit that habit if you want the fans to cuddle up to you.
You have competition you know as Henry over at Lifetime is building up his own fan base. He's not like you as he actually seems to like being a vampire and being a little bit bad occasionally, plus he has lots of other monsters to play with! Think about that.
You need better writers, I mean think of the possibilities that immortality could bring rather than all the bad things like daily blood. Think how valuable you could be to the Space Program, you could go to Mars without a spacesuit... instead you hang around in the fridge fretting about your ex wife and lamenting your lot.

Marie

19-11-07, 11:42 AM

I believe you're transferring too much of your Buffy/Angel frustration on this show. When I watch this show I consistently think how refreshing it is that it isn't mired in all the brooding and regret of being a vampire.

True, Moonlight is a departure from the Jossverse. However it doesn't negate the fact that yet again we're faced with a burdened hero. Mick doesn't want to be a Vampire. Quite the opposite. And while on the surface he's done his best to cope, his subsequent reaction to Coraline spoke volumes; clearly he longs to find a cure; a way to undo it. And like Spike's quest to regain his soul and Angel's battles with the gypsy curse, while it may come with perks, at the end of the day as Mick himself put it: "being a Vampire sucks."

That's where I see the similarity. And why it feels like I've been here before with this character.

Whereas Joseph (Jason Dohring) on the other hand, doesn't have that issue. He feeds on humans. He enjoys his world, the pleasures it affords, and has no interest in returning to the moral coil. Something I find more interesting to explore owing to it being the road less travelled by writers; a pathology moving through subtler shades of greys thanks to painting the hero darker. Charlotte Brontë did it with Mr. Rochester in "Jane Eyre" - ie: the romantic lead or hero of the story is viewed as flawed, and from the start there's a battle of minds, not just hearts. That approach has always appealed to me personally; a pair of strong willed characters. For by its very nature, pitting the sexes against one another heightens the sexual tension in the room.

Personally I am glad that Mick isn't ready to dive into bed with Beth. Just because two people are attracted to each other does not mean that they have to immediately start a deep relationship. Their friendship and flirtatious dance of attraction has been very free for me...

That's true. And a matter of taste and preference so I can't argue with your reasoning. :)

The whole romance genre has various shapes and forms, from comedic to dramatic to a mixture of both. And everyone's got their style, the approach they like best. I enjoy watching Moonlight while wishing it could be a little edgier and more passionate. I love when writers pull the tension on a wire, tight.

The closest they've gotten us to that this season on Moonlight, was the balcony sunrise scene in last week's episode "1x08". I want to see more of that! I was bummed out when the kiss was just a modest peck on the cheek.

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slaycandy

21-11-07, 11:47 PM

Getting a little behind on my Moonlight discussion here! Okay, so I am still loving this show, 12.04 was a great episode in my opinion, I really thought that Shepherd was amazing, his voice, and those eyes were just creepy as hell, and I loved the way they had him hunt down the girl, I really enjoyed the MOTW for this eppy, although.... I royally missed my Josef!

I am loving the Beth & Mick scenes, but whatever happened to her boyfriend Josh? Is having him out of town just their way of copping-out of dealing with a Beth and Josh confrontation about Mick? At the moment I reckon that Beth is just keeping him around as a buffer to stop her from being with Mick because deep down she's worried about starting a relationship with a vampire; and then not having him around she sort of goes straight to Mick, I'd kind of prefer to see her acting like that with Mick even although Josh was still there and still wanting to help her out, it would kind of make her realise that relationship is over. Maybe that's just me though.

I'm not getting those same feelings about Buffy & Angel in this series. Mostly because I gre to hate bangel moments, sorry guys but it's true! I grew very bored of bangel during season two of Buffy which is when I started shipping Spuffy... and I have to say I am much more invested in Mick & Beth than I ever was in Buffy & Angel. I feel like post-season two Angel was just too damaged, and Buffy too hurt by him for them to ever make a relationship work ever again, gypsy curse and everything else aside, they were never going to be, even if they had forever. But with Mick & Beth I feel they really do have a connection and a nice fresh relationship, a clean slate really, and he's being far more open and honest about his past and who he was than Angel ever was with Buffy. I have to admit I like the slow progression of their relationship, it's sort of mimicking the progression of the series as Beth finds out more about Mick she's slowly getting closer and closer to him, and I feel the prosgression of their relationship perfectly matches the pace of the series as we, the viewers, find out about Mick and his past... it's like the writers are not only trying not to rush a relationship between Mick & Beth, but also trying not to rush the viewers with loads of Mick past info. That's just my feelings toward it however.

I am quite disappointed that we never got a Coraline follow-up after the last episode, although I do suppose we needed a slight break before delving back into her character and story.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to this week's episode, hoping that it's going to be awesome, :D

:bounce:
SJ
xox

Marie

24-11-07, 08:09 AM

Fleur de Lys....

Since I have no interest in the b-plot storyline involving the callous CEO, his trophey bride or the affair she was having with his son, I'll skip ahead to the stuff that matters: Mick knows the truth about Morgan now - she is indeed Coraline, and albeit unwittingly, Beth has presumably killed what appears to be the only chance Mick had to revert to being human again.

Yeah, right. She stalks you both, plays mind games, keeps the truth a secret, doesn't tell you how to revert back, and thinks in the meantime you can pick up where you left off. Chess, anyone?

Personal speculation: Coraline is a twisted psycho-wack job willing to do anything to keep Mick from leaving her. When trying to make a family didn't work, she played the last card she had - she summoned up some underworld demon type and struck a deal; her immortal soul in exchange for being human again. Ie: the writers have pulled a Spike, only instead of getting a soul, Corlaine gets mortality.

And now thanks to Beth, a well-deserved stake through the heart. ( I look forward to hearing how Joseph reacts - as Beth obviously isn't above killing a Vampire if sufficiently pissed-off; smile.)

That's assuming Coraline doesn't survive, of course. If she does, she'll have to tell Mick how she did it and since we know CBS isn't going to change the series - it's still about a Vampire, anything Corlaine provides by way of an explanation will ultimately be a moot point; for it's a given Mick won't be able to take advantage of it, and go back to being human.

Which is why this episode for me, while entertaining, was basically much ado about nothing. As aside from that one reveal - it's CORALINE! GASP! And you staked her! A human! GASP! There wasn't much else going on, aside from tossing a temporary monkey wrench into Beth and Mick's relationship.

That said, I always love seeing Jason Dohring ( who is still under used by the writers; sigh ) and enjoyed his scene with Beth. We need more of those! As it's a way of including his character more while providing us with something more to see each week, aside from yet another case to find a killer or what have you, etc.

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Methusla

24-11-07, 06:02 PM

Marie

24-11-07, 11:48 PM

This last episode was the poorest one so far as far as my opinion goes. If it was intended as a cliffhanger...yawn.
The whole thing felt contrived and ham fisted and I don't buy Morgan/Corraline for one moment as a femme fatale , Gilda, Rita Hayworth seductress type that the writers would have us believe she is/was.
Beths outrage at Corralines abduction of her and the make believe childs room
was made laughable when she snatched the piece of wood from the chair! Oh come on!...cold rage would have been so much more effective.
The hard business man and the plot by his son and his wife to kill him...soo hackneyed and totally boring.

Cliffhanger? Yes and no. A new episode airs Dec 14th, 1x09 "Sleeping Beauty" synopsis:

"Mick arrives at Josef’s office building which is on fire. Everything's destroyed. Seems a dying man with a long-standing vendetta put a hit on Josef. Mick and Tom, Josef’s head of security, launch in investigation into the attack. Beth does her own investigating and interviews several people from Josef’s past, none of whom have anything nice to say. The twin investigations lead Mick and Beth to New York and yet another surprise from Josef’s past. In the process, Mick discovers a secret his best friend has kept from him for over 40 years and the real reason Josef believes Mick and Beth can never work."

Now true, we'll have to wait 3 weeks for it, but at least it's a Josef centric episode and I've been waiting months to learn more about him! Note: wanna bet Josef had a romance with a human and wound-up killing her? Ie: he desperately needed to feed and there wasn't anyone else around and instinct took over, etc.

Best scene, Beth visiting Joseph in what I assume is his place of business. We have had so little development of his character it's hard to tell.

That was indeed his office, yes. I remembered it from the ep where Beth pretended to be a call girl on the phone etc.

Writers: Glaring inconsistency....Mick is shot bled out looks like and is dumped under leaves. Why didn't he need a blood fix this time as it looks like he was back to himself when they found him? Surely it was time for another wrist gobble?

Yeah! I was thinking that too! But then I reasoned the circumstances were different; his energy reserves weren't tapped out thanks to excessive exposure to the sun.

Casting did this show a big favour by putting in two great picks as the vampires but what's with the gumshoe stuff. No, not like angel as he specialized as an underworld demon hunter. PIs have the most boring job on earth all petty stuff like tracking old boyfriends and spying on cheating spouses. How boring and an unimaginative a way to spend your immortality.

I agree. This is not the Maltise Falcon with Humphrey Bogart. There's no uber-cool film noir sensibility at work on this series which you need, in order to support a character like Mick for being based on something otherwise so dull. As indeed, PI's have a really tedious and boring job.

It's not my show but if it were... film noir, B/W, letterbox, HBO; uncencored and fewer clichés.

Chuckle!

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slaycandy

25-11-07, 04:13 AM

While I didn't enjoy the case as much as last week's I still found it relevant to the story; especially since Coraline is trying to break up the relationship with Mick and their 'could-have-been-daughter' Beth. I thought that it was a nice sideline to the episode as a whole, showing that anyone is capable of murder if the circumstances are there - and I loved the parallel of the son finding the photos and being thrust into the need to kill his father there and then, to Beth finding the photos and needing to run out kill Coraline. I felt like the sub-plot was woven into the episode quite nicely and wouldn't give it as much criticism as has been given so far.

As for the Mick and Coraline relationship, we had to assume that her being back would mean that not only would Mick find out, but that she was going to try and play him to get him back; and I thought her sly manipulation as Morgan throughout this episode gave the illusion of a calm and together young woman, in comparison to the coniving woman she truly is. Not to mention her delicate kisses with Mick, and friendly steady encounters with him, were in complete contrast to the frenzied fever their relationship has been compared to; it was refreshing to see her acting like that with Mick, trying to keep him close, but still at bay. I really loved how it played out, and once she showered, it was like she was removing this outer-skin, the water was washing her clean of Morgan and she became Coraline again, and that fever returned as they kissed more passionately, and fervently in the shower. I thought that scene had been put together so well, as it showed the change in their relationship once again.

I think that Coraline is a good 'femme-fatale' although I don't think we've seen her at her best yet. She is clearly a dangerous woman, with litte morality or reason. And I think the real question about her character is how far will she go and what exactly is she capable of? The flashback scenes in this episode, I don't think were showing her as villanous, and I don't think they were painted in that light; I think they were more to show her devotion to Mick and her desperation to get him back. I felt the image of the room was more to show how far out of her way she had gone to get this girl and keep her, and keep her happy, purely to win Mick back. Really this scene to me, was more showing Coraline's power-play over Mick and the lengths she will go to, which I think is something we're going to see again in the future.

Anyway moving on...

What hasn't been mentioned so far is Josef's actions on discussing Coraline, and her relationship with Mick... is it just me or did anyone else notice a sort of... a moment of reminisence... like, Josef had cared for Coraline at one point but she wanted Mick. I felt like, perhaps there had been an underlying relationship with Josef and Coraline, and that was why talking about her, and discussing her was painful to him too, and not just because someone he had known for years had been killed. I love Josef, and think his character really needs developed, and a history interlinking with the other vampires would be great... although somewhat Angel/Dru/Spike as some may think... but, I just reckon there was more to his relationship with Coraline than they have let on yet. Besides, I still believe he was the one sitting in her Hollywood home when Mick went to the door. :P

I loved the change in dynamics of this episode to really segregate Beth... up until now Mick has worked on all of the cases with Beth, and this is the first they worked separately, to me that was Beth's downfall in this episode. Beth normally has Mick around to make her feel safe, and be there for her, even if she wasn't aware he was there in the past, she had felt him watching over her - but I really felt like she felt alone for the first time in this episode with Mick being so invested in the case he was working on with Coraline... and I reckon that Beth really felt that sting, and became irrational, and as she turned to Mick, she realised that he had betrayed her... believing he had slept with the woman that had ruined her childhood and the reason she hadn't felt safe in the first place; and I feel that was the moment, where she felt let down by Mick that forced her hand, and she stabbed the stake into Coraline. I didn't feel that it looked stupid at all, I'm sure it could have been done better; but I felt that it was Beth's way of reverting to her childhood to get that revenge, and just lashing out without her 'grown-up' rationality.

As for the 'cure' aspect, it's kind of bugging me. There's basically not supposed to be a way out of being a vampire... if there were more vampires would be reverting, so it's annoying that Coraline of all the vampires has become human. But... I am looking forward to finding out their explanation and how Coraline managed it. Similarly I am really tempted to find out how Mick takes it... the thought of becoming human again made a relationship with Beth easier, but the person who may have the cure wants him, and I'm fairly convinced that she's not going to help him become human for him to run off with someone else. Thus, I'm sure that even if Coraline knows the cure, she's not going to give him it so easily.

Wow, okay, I have done tonnes of ramblings, I have loads more thoughts on this episode too, but they can wait! It definitely isn't my favourite so far, but I still enjoyed it, and can't wait to see how they move on from this...

SJ
xox

Cinderela

25-11-07, 09:34 AM

I was feeling very tired today from all the RL family stuff - so I marathon watched all eps of this show today (had to stay away from ALL TV threads, because BOTH my TIVO's were full of things we' haven't had time to watch because our damn RL keep getting in the way of our FUN lives!) And maybe I got a different perspective from watching them all back to back. The first two eps started out slow, and I was kinda disappointed, but I kept watching since I had them all TIVO'd and nothing eles to do anyway - I'm oh so glad I did! I LOVE :hug: :heart: this show!

I believe you're transferring too much of your Buffy/Angel frustration on this show. When I watch this show I consistently think how refreshing it is that it isn't mired in all the brooding and regret of being a vampire.

Not to mention that all that Buffy & Angel whining was really starting to get on my LAST NERVE :bang: Any show would have looked and felt 2nd rate to Angel and/or Buffy if they were constantly compared. I'm addicted to these boards because there is only ONE Buffy and ONE Angel. But I can find room in my heart for other shows.. Moonlight feels like a breath of fresh air. All vampire lore has some of the same qualities in common (in books (like Ann Riceish, in movies and on TV) and their differences are interesting and unique. I like that staking Mick does not kill him, just paralizes him. And Silver being poison. And sunlight does not start an immedite bonfire.

Personally I am glad that Mick isn't ready to dive into bed with Beth. Just because two people are attracted to each other does not mean that they have to immediately start a deep relationship. Their friendship and flirtatious dance of attraction has been very free for me.

Ah, yes, I'm very attracted to the fun, fun flirting and am so, so not attracted to slut sex, either. I probably meet someone at least every week I could be attracted to, but that does not mean I'm going to dive into bed with each of them. And Mick has very real and sincere reasons for NOT wanting to ruin what he's just begun with Beth. (Although, to be honest, I can't stop calling her Kate, because she looks just like Angel's Kate!) :rotflmao:

And the slow, teasing way they are showing the back story through the present story arcs and narration is just so ....... I can't find the right word. (addicting, maybe?) It's like reading a story - written by someone with all the time in the world (pun intended) - someone immortal or so near it they might as well be.

Also I would have been extremely disappointed if his "secret" of being her guardian angel/stalker over all these years was the real reason standing between a romantic relationship between them.

Oh, yes, that would have turned him into shining white knight into scary, pedophile stalker, condiering her age when she was taken. For him to have "waited" all these years to have a romance with her would have been creepy to the extreme.

Right now, I'm guessing Coraline as that obstacle. Coraline brought Beth into Mick's life and I have to believe that Mick can't forget that. Especially now that Coraline has recently manifested as Morgan. Last week, we heard Mick obsessively recall the FEVER that Coraline elicited in him. My heart broke as he said this honestly and obliviously in front of Beth and she realized he didn't feel that way about her. Mick's going to have to come to some peace about Coraline/Morgan before he will pursue something with Beth.

If Coraline/Morgan LETS him. Seems to me she's got a pretty :censored: reasons to be totally :cussing: unhappy with Mick. HE TRIED TO KILL HER! (I'd be pretty :censored: if my husband tried to murder me, too! Who knows what she may be planning now - if she felt the same FEVER for him that he felt for her......she's probably not too darn stable right now. And THEN to find out that his current interest is her ex-kidnap victim - the very same one she TRIED to give him decades ago. I'd guess she has several issues to work out and probably Beth should not be near while Coraline/Morgan works on them :hide:

Mick has been around for 80 years, the span of a few months is barely anything to him. Mick is also a very steady person more geared to thinking, planning, and a long courtship. Which is why the fever Coraline evokes in him is so compelling to him.

No doubt Mick has feelings about Beth. But they are more rooted with the human aspect that still remains of Mick. I do not find it coincidental that the episode in which he drinks of Beth is called Fever as well. As much as he wants to be human, he'll always be drawn to the fire of vampirism.

Not to mention how ashamed he is of himself for feeding on her in the first place. :fryingpan:

But right now vampirism is interlocked with Coraline. And therefore cannot yet reconcile his human and vampire selves to a whole in which to love Beth and have a deep romantic relationship with her.

And if this show is given a chance, it will be a very deep, intersting journey.

Which leads into why I liked Moonlight immediately - finally got my fighting vampire back!

In regards to the Corraline/Mick/Beth tri - another draw for Mick is the thought that maybe Coraline has found a way to become human again. Which could offer the opportunities of a "normal" relationship with Coraline - a second chance so to speak - or a "normal" relationship with Beth.

I'm really curious as to whether Coraline has truly found a way to become human again...

Ditto. We've never seen in any show or book that has had a cure for vampirism.

True, Moonlight is a departure from the Jossverse. However it doesn't negate the fact that yet again we're faced with a burdened hero. Mick doesn't want to be a Vampire. Quite the opposite. And while on the surface he's done his best to cope, his subsequent reaction to Coraline spoke volumes; clearly he longs to find a cure; a way to undo it. And like Spike's quest to regain his soul and Angel's battles with the gypsy curse, while it may come with perks, at the end of the day as Mick himself put it: "being a Vampire sucks."

And from we have hearned from other sources, being a Vampire DOES SUCK. But, do any of them REALLY want to find cure? I can only think of one vamp that actually chose to be re-vamped after they were human. (Darla) - and even on the Charmed ones, they were offered the chance to give up their powers and live normal human lives and they turned it down. Angel had repeated opportunities to become human and/or at the very least live like a normal human and he turned them all down. We don't know Mick's character well enough yet to speculate how he might choose.

I, for one :heart: this show and ope it is at least given the chance to find it 's audience - unlike the hatchet job that SCIFI did on The Dresden Files.

ThePoet's<3

26-11-07, 05:17 AM

What a great episode!!!!

How has she done it?!?!?!

But here's the kicker question - is Nick going to have to "re-vamp" her so she won't "Mortally" die?? In order to 1) save her 2) save the knowledge of how she became HUMAN!!!

I feel that there was a connection between Yosef and Corraline as well. She was sired in the 1700's and Yosef is pretty old as well - so I'm sure their paths have crossed. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the man in the bedroom was Yosef!!

We've never seen in any show or book that has had a cure for vampirism.

Not entirely true - Forever Knight dabbled with vampire/humanity on several occasions http://www.loftworks.com/FK/Episodes/Season_2/214.html

True, Moonlight is a departure from the Jossverse. However it doesn't negate the fact that yet again we're faced with a burdened hero. Mick doesn't want to be a Vampire. Quite the opposite. And while on the surface he's done his best to cope, his subsequent reaction to Coraline spoke volumes; clearly he longs to find a cure; a way to undo it. And like Spike's quest to regain his soul and Angel's battles with the gypsy curse, while it may come with perks, at the end of the day as Mick himself put it: "being a Vampire sucks." [/quote}

And from we have hearned from other sources, being a Vampire DOES SUCK. But, do any of them REALLY want to find cure? I can only think of one vamp that actually chose to be re-vamped after they were human. (Darla) - and even on the Charmed ones, they were offered the chance to give up their powers and live normal human lives and they turned it down. Angel had repeated opportunities to become human and/or at the very least live like a normal human and he turned them all down. We don't know Mick's character well enough yet to speculate how he might choose.

I, for one :heart: this show and ope it is at least given the chance to find it 's audience - unlike the hatchet job that SCIFI did on The Dresden Files.

But perhaps it will address it in a more straight-forward way than prophecies and curses...

Cinderela

27-11-07, 01:29 AM

slaycandy

27-11-07, 02:39 AM

And from we have hearned from other sources, being a Vampire DOES SUCK. But, do any of them REALLY want to find cure? I can only think of one vamp that actually chose to be re-vamped after they were human. (Darla) - and even on the Charmed ones, they were offered the chance to give up their powers and live normal human lives and they turned it down. Angel had repeated opportunities to become human and/or at the very least live like a normal human and he turned them all down. We don't know Mick's character well enough yet to speculate how he might choose.

I am actually going to go off on a tangent here; but I reckon that the vampires in this series live much more 'normal' lives than in the Joss-verse. Angel completely cut himself off from people and didn't really let Doyle in. Whereas, Mick has Josef who is obviously a very close and personal friend. Both Mick and Josef seem to enjoy life as vampires on the surface; Josef living much like a human with the big house, the playboy-lifestyle, and yet enjoying the perks of being a vampire at the same time. And of course Mick, has a normal job, can walk out in sunlight (to an extent) and while Angel had a similar job, he ONLY took supernatural cases, Mick takes all cases, and they sometimes turn out to be vampire related, but for the most part, he is working as a PI the same as any other PI, whereas Angel was only working on demonic cases, not exactly a normal life. I don't think that being human would make a huge difference to their way of life, more, the fact that they would grow old, something I think that Josef would fear, and the reason he enjoys being a vampire, constantly living in the prime of his life; but something I reckon Mick would like to do, to grow old, and have a life with someone, perhaps Beth.

Obviously there is a lot about being a vampire that this show has yet to address, and there are clearly downsides to being a vampire; I'm just stating that the affect it would have on Mick's life isn't quite as dramatic as it would have been on say - Angel. Angel would no longer have his current job, he couldn't battle demons anymore; he'd be able to walk in sunlight, and of course, he wouldn't be hindered by his curse. But mostly for Angel, being human would give him some kind of sense of redemption after the years of evil that he comitted... with Mick, he doesn't have the same kind of truly monsterous past.

Within the Joss-verse it was clear what happened to a vampire after he/she was dusted - they went to hell. But, in this worl created in Moonlight, vampires, much like humans, have a choice whether to be evil, or whether to just continue to live normal lives; so there is no clear definition on whether being a vampire makes them damned to hell or not. Another reason why becoming human may not mean the same to Mick as it would have to Angel. Angel is damned to hell for the sins he has committed, but becoming human may have changed that destiny. Would it change Mick's future?

Sorry, just contemplating the differences between what becoming human would mean for Mick in comparison to Angel! Couldn't help it! If anyone else has any ideas or comments feel free to reply, I am just rambling on just now!

SJ
xox

Cinderela

10-12-07, 05:31 AM

I am actually going to go off on a tangent here; but I reckon that the vampires in this series live much more 'normal' lives than in the Joss-verse.

At least the ones we've seen so far live more 'normal' lives than the ones in the Jossverse.

Angel completely cut himself off from people and didn't really let Doyle in. Whereas, Mick has Josef who is obviously a very close and personal friend. Both Mick and Josef seem to enjoy life as vampires on the surface; Josef living much like a human with the big house, the playboy-lifestyle, and yet enjoying the perks of being a vampire at the same time. And of course Mick, has a normal job, can walk out in sunlight (to an extent) and while Angel had a similar job, he ONLY took supernatural cases, Mick takes all cases, and they sometimes turn out to be vampire related, but for the most part, he is working as a PI the same as any other PI, whereas Angel was only working on demonic cases, not exactly a normal life.

To be very clear, I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Angel! :heart: I bolded SJ's reply to emphasise that Angel CHOSE to completely cut himself off from people and worked only supernatural, demonic cases. He could have lived almost like Mick if he'd wanted to (of course, taking into account the vamp lore differences).

I don't think that being human would make a huge difference to their way of life, more, the fact that they would grow old, something I think that Josef would fear, and the reason he enjoys being a vampire, constantly living in the prime of his life; but something I reckon Mick would like to do, to grow old, and have a life with someone, perhaps Beth.

Possibly true, but we haven't given enough knowledge to be sure of that yet.

Obviously there is a lot about being a vampire that this show has yet to address, and there are clearly downsides to being a vampire; I'm just stating that the affect it would have on Mick's life isn't quite as dramatic as it would have been on say - Angel. Angel would no longer have his current job, he couldn't battle demons anymore; he'd be able to walk in sunlight, and of course, he wouldn't be hindered by his curse. But mostly for Angel, being human would give him some kind of sense of redemption after the years of evil that he comitted... with Mick, he doesn't have the same kind of truly monsterous past.

Or just doesn't feel the all consuming, continual brooding guilt Angel feels. Everyone around him has always understood the difference between Angelus and Angel. It's Angel himself that doesn't seem to grasp the difference.

Within the Joss-verse it was clear what happened to a vampire after he/she was dusted - they went to hell. But, in this worl created in Moonlight, vampires, much like humans, have a choice whether to be evil, or whether to just continue to live normal lives; so there is no clear definition on whether being a vampire makes them damned to hell or not. Another reason why becoming human may not mean the same to Mick as it would have to Angel. Angel is damned to hell for the sins he has committed, but becoming human may have changed that destiny. Would it change Mick's future?

It just now occurred to me when reading SJ's post to wonder if having a soul changed anything. Buffy would't slay Spike (or let anyone else harm him) in S7 because "he has a soul now". In the Jossvere, it seems the only vamps to have a choice in how to live were the vamps with a soul - namely, Angel and Spike. All other vamps (that I can remember) were all evil, blood sucking animals, no matter how they appeared on the outside (Darla and Dru, for example, were beautiful, sexy, sophisticated and could act extremely civil - but were still evil vamps under those beautiful faces.)

Or maybe the Moonlight vamps don't feel any remorse for their past actions like Angel and even Spike (in S7 and S5) felt. On the other hand, maybe the Moonlight vamps never committed any atrocities of the kind that Angelus and Spike had. I do know I can't wait to find out!:hug:

Sorry, just contemplating the differences between what becoming human would mean for Mick in comparison to Angel! Couldn't help it! If anyone else has any ideas or comments feel free to reply, I am just rambling on just now!

Rambling - good! :roll: I'm the "going off on a tangent" and "rambling on" kind myself! :hug: And you gave me some a new perspective to ponder over until Moonlight comes back!

Marie

15-12-07, 01:06 PM

At last, a Josef centric episode; now we're getting somewhere! At least I've been waiting seemingly forever for his backstory, such as this was...

Seems a dying man with a long-standing vendetta put a hit on Josef; military grenades the weapon of choice. Mick arrives at Josef’s office building where everything's been destroyed by a firey explosion and presumably Josef along with it. Mick and Tom, Josef’s head of security, launch an investigation into the attack. Beth does her own sleuthing and the twin investigations lead Mick and Beth fly to New York and find yet another surprise from Josef’s past. In the process, Mick discovers a secret his best friend has kept from him for over 40 years and the real reason Josef believes Mick and Beth can never work - under a different name, he'd fallen in love with the love of his life, a human who begged him to turn her so they could be together forever. It went wrong. She died without coming back, and has lain sleeping in secret all these years as if in a fairytale.

Which of course it is; a romantic tale of star-crossed lovers and the undying love which binds them still, so close yet far away. And Jason Dohring sells every heart-wrenching moment of it, delivering yet another strong performance in keeping with his work on Veronica Mars. We believe the emotion in his face, feel the ache inside his heart. For he found the Holy Grail written of in sonnets; true love returned. Only to lose in less than a year after centuries spent looking. Whoa.

The episodes also deals with and touches upon Mick and Beth's own relationship, and Coraline surving yet failing to say how she did it, but imo it's all B plot; Josef's story weighs the most and what makes this episode shine.

I loved that he went back to fetch her locket from a safe after the fire, and we saw him remembering the day he gave it to her, in a flashback. For he called it the happiest day of his entire life. And in doing so, the writers have given us the key to his pathology, what makes him tick, where his motives can been found now. In a wound he's never stopped carrying and can't heal.

I never liked Bangel for finding it too sickly sweet, and confess it's totally put me off anything that smells even remotely like it. It's one of the reason I can't quite get into Mick and Beth's love story. I want to, but there's simply too many close-ups of them looking doe-eyed at one another to lift it out of that cliché. The one where you can hear violins playing, and the cheesy youtube videos they're going to inspire. So given that, seeing them focus on Josef's character is why I enjoyed this episode more than previous ones. And in the end, it left me wondering two things...

Now that we know she exists, will we see her again? Or was she introduced soley to serve Josef's character and flesh it out? I could be interesting to see what would happen if she woke-up, eh?

In the wake of seeing Coraline change at the hospital, has she returned to being a Vampire, or was she always one, and simply able to "fake" human thanks to some amulet or spell or she trade something in return..?

Otherwise, I don't expect to see Beth resolve anything with her boyfriend which would clear a path for Mick, those two fated for some seasons yet, to be forever dancing around what everyone who loves them as a couple is longing to see. Ie: they're gonna milk this for ages, people. Just you watch.

Even so, that said, at least there's still a Vampire show on TV to watch and I won't judge it too harshly. For the finale to "Blood Ties" has aired, and thanks to how bleakly "1x10 Deep Dark" left those characters, I needed a fix of Jason Dohring playing Josef right about now.

Which I got. :)

Methusla

15-12-07, 03:49 PM

Wow ! Vampires sure have come a long way since Max shrek played Nosteratu.
Now like the men of the afternoon soaps, where even gangsters sit around dreaming of love and babies, these guys
are totally love possessed.
Every womans dream and every plastic surgeons nightmare. Hell they can even go sunbathing with a good sunblock!
So what has Joseph done in his 500 years on earth? Why searched for the perfect woman of course.
See girls you take away baseball, football and the remote control and guys, even if they are vampires are just like us, dreaming of love, not sex but L.O.V.E.
As you said Marie ...don't expect any action between Mick and Beth as we all know how long the soaps drag things on.
sigh...

slaycandy

16-12-07, 04:23 AM

Okay, a lot of people know I am a huge Dark Angel fan, and if anyone else is, they're going to know what Iam about to say about this episode already. Berrisford Agenda.

Basically in DA, we had Alec, this character who was a bit of a playboy with a devil-may-care attitude and always on the hustle. (Best way I could think to describe in a few words lol) and he was a transgenic. Basically this old guys finds out he is still alive and is living in seattle under the name 'alec' now, when he was known as 'simon' in the past. So he sends out some hit-men to take care of him, but Max swoops in and saves him. After he realises there is a guy looking to kill him, he goes after him first. Max stops and tells Cindys he's goin after to make sure he doesn't do something stupid. Alec goes, we find out the girl is in a coma, the father is still pissed, wants Alec dead, and the whole audience finds out that Alec isn't the character he's painted to be, he's actually been in love, and despite the fact he keeps saying it can't work with transgenics and humans, he had fallen for someone in the past. Max questions her own relationship with Logan. Oh! And big kicker! Alec kept her gold heart necklace all these years and we saw flashbacks of him getting it!

So... anyone else drawing any parallels? there were just so many points in this episode, where I was left thinking, wow, this is like DA. I know, I know, it's a story that has been done over and over again, where we see the bloke who's like Josef/Alec and we see that they actually do have a softer side... but there was just so much of this I felt had been repeated.

Okay, my little DA-rant is over now!

I actually LOVED this episode, lol. Yeah I know, after all of that, would you ever have guessed?

I really did need a Josef centric episode, and although, it did feel Alec-centric to me, I didn't care, it still focussed on my fave character Josef and I have been dying to see this from the beginning. I loved Jason throughout this entire episode and thought he pulled off every scene fantastically.

I enjoyed the weaving of the storylines through this episode with Mick and Beth's relationship mixed with Coraline and Josef, and the consequences of Josef's failed turning, mixed with the possible cure, and that over-hanging question of: will those two ever get together? Lol. I did think it was done really nicely, the way the scenes all came together like that, with the finale of Mick & Beth in New York and seeing her pulling away, with Mick almost giving in to his love for her. I felt like, Mick could see hope in what had happened, with Josef in love, and a possible cure; whereas Beth was seeing it all doomed, the girl was in a coma, and the cure was merely a possibility. They had both witnessed the same things, but had come away very different, and I loved how you could see this just playing out, as they parted, and then they were separated by the glass, with that symbolic representation of seeing through it, but still on opposite sides. I don't know, I just liked that. It felt very fitting to end on that scene for those two in this episode.

As for Coraline... vamping out again? Without being turned again? I am assuming this means that there is no cure, or if there is, it is merely temporary and it just cloaks her vampiric form/features. She had the ability to live as human for some time, we don't know exactly how long, but now, as she loses blood, she seemed to be vamping out and in need of blood, much like Mick in "Fever". Perhaps she is and always has been a vampire, and whatever her "cure" is, isn't something that really works, it's just a mask she's been putting on in order to trick Mick, and in order to get him back. We know she's manipulative, and we know she wants Mick, we've seen the lengths that she'll go to, so I'm just going with the fact that she hasn't really been human, and it's just been some disguise to trick him. But hey, when I watch the episode again, I might come up with a different conclusions, that was just my first assumption having watched this eppy.

Well, it's late, and I'm tired, so I'm off to bed!
*huggles*
SJ
xox

Nikole

20-12-07, 12:21 AM

Haha slaycandy. I was watching this and was just like WOW Berrisford Agenda much?

Anyway loved this episode! I really love the Josef/Mick relationship. Not in a slashy way (well yeah that too) but I like their friendship. And I definitely liked seeing a softer side to Josef. Some of his scenes are pretty funny. I LOVED the one where Mick was taking the bullets out. The looks on Josef's face were cracking me up. :)

ThePoet's<3

20-12-07, 07:02 AM

it was an excellent episode!! I didn't get into Dark Angel that much - so I guess this storyline was more original for me.

I know a couple of spoilers... If you want to know...

Coralline has a rare blood type - the same as Beth's. That is what's cloaking her vampirism. And we get a character death next episode. If you think really hard at some of the choices (because really we don't have that large of a character-base for this show) you will figure it out... Think about how it will affect Beth...

This was not the "reveal" that I was thinking about - I was sure Josef was the man in Coralline's bedroom - not that Josef tried to turn a mortal he was in love with. However, what a great storyline! So she's like in "limbo"... Hhmm... Will she ever wake up?? Or will they learn what went wrong? I like that sometimes it just doesn't work - the sirings. I find that interesting.

And could we just kick Beth for not going "out on the town" with Mick??? Seriously! Makes me wonder if somewhere betweent the hotel and the airport if she may have changed her mind... ;)

ThePoet's<3

10-01-08, 06:20 AM

Yea!!! Moonlight won "The People's Choice Awards" for Favorite New Drama!!! WooHOOOOO!!

Ehlwyen

10-01-08, 06:35 AM

ThePoet's<3

10-01-08, 06:40 AM

LOL, I was a silly puddle of goo last night. :lol: :xd :heart: *melt* :heart: :xd :2party:

I had just randomly flipped on the channel and saw the People's Choice awards were on. I knew I had voted for Moonlight in some categories so I wondered if it had won. Sure enough right then its category comes and it wins!!! And wow, loved the videos of Alex O'Loughlin. He loves the show and his character so much. :hug: It's great how excited he is about Moonlight carrying on. Now all we need is an actual pick up! :2party:

I simply cannot wait until the new episode on Friday! :heart: Only it and one more left. :(

Wasn't that great!!! I laughed when they asked him why women love vampires so much!! Duh! He was really cute - everyone was showing their "solidarity" with the Writer's Strike and he was just "I want to do some more shows!" Can you blame him?? Finally, he gets a break with his own show and - WHAM - Writer's Strike!

You know I was watching reruns of The Shield the other night - did you know he was in like 7-8 episodes?? Some pretty yummy scenes too!! I heard they were picked up for 4 more episodes - but yet to here if they were picked up for the full season. But for that matter - will any shows get their full season this year...?? :s

I'm really excited about Friday night!! :2party:

sherrilina

10-01-08, 06:52 AM

Lol, for starting this thread I sure haven't posted in a while! I must say I've really liked the last few epps except for Fleur De Lys--this last Josef epp was fantastic, though i kind of feel bad for Mick at the end there, lol. Though I also feel really bad for Josh, so I can see where Beth is coming from....I loved Josef's appearance after Mick and Beth's scene outside his apartment, lol--man was I glad to see him! I was afraid they'd kill him off, I was nearly as upset as Mick! ;) I still don't see how he could have escaped if fire kills vamps....

Even so, that said, at least there's still a Vampire show on TV to watch and I won't judge it too harshly. For the finale to "Blood Ties" has aired, and thanks to how bleakly "1x10 Deep Dark" left those characters, I needed a fix of Jason Dohring playing Josef right about now.

Which I got. :)
Oh man, tell me about it! I think that has to be the most depressing season finale EVER, even more so than VM's downer series finale--I hope it's not BT's finale! Very disappointing....:(

it was an excellent episode!! I didn't get into Dark Angel that much - so I guess this storyline was more original for me.

I know a couple of spoilers... If you want to know...

Coralline has a rare blood type - the same as Beth's. That is what's cloaking her vampirism. And we get a character death next episode. If you think really hard at some of the choices (because really we don't have that large of a character-base for this show) you will figure it out... Think about how it will affect Beth...
Huh, that seems like a lame answer....

Yea!!! Moonlight won "The People's Choice Awards" for Favorite New Drama!!! WooHOOOOO!!
Wow, that's GREAT!!!!!!:2party: :2party: :hf2: :celebration: Glad that the Moonlight community pushing and linking the site worked and got out the vote! (I know I voted in the first place just to help Moonlight!). I can't believe it won....10 million votes can't all just be fans voting again and again, too many!

Love Alex's speech--I've never heard his Australian accent before! His flabbergasted reaction was cute! :xd

Take that Women's Murder Club! :p (Which has been Moonlight's main competitor in ratings!)

Ehlwyen

10-01-08, 06:58 AM

sherrilina

10-01-08, 07:19 AM

I seriously doubt any show is going to make more episodes this season. :( The networks seem pretty well set with new programming for Feb sweeps and that's all they care about. Well, until May sweeps that is. :lol:

The pain of having to wait until next fall season for more new episode kinda rips my heart out. Especially since I think Moonlight wrote these last two episodes banking on the hope of getting picked up rather than with the expectation of getting canceled.
Well I think it winning the People's Choice Awards and getting 10 million votes can't hurt it's chances of getting picked up--pay attention CBS!!!! ;) People are choosing it--let them have more!

And thanks for the head's up about the new show this Friday, I wouldn't have known otherwise--with the strike and the limited supply of remaining epps, I never know when a new one is airing (like with Bones not airing new epps until freaking May!!!). :(

Ehlwyen

10-01-08, 07:27 AM

Well I think it winning the People's Choice Awards and getting 10 million votes can't hurt it's chances of getting picked up--pay attention CBS!!!! People are choosing it--let them have more!
Ain't that the truth. Let's hope that someone at CBS has enough sense to realize that this is a show not getting heaps of promotion but has cultivated a strong fanbase. 10 million seems like a pretty fair number, don't the ratings usually run about 7 million?

And thanks for the head's up about the new show this Friday, I wouldn't have known otherwise--with the strike and the limited supply of remaining epps, I never know when a new one is airing (like with Bones not airing new epps until freaking May!!!).
You are so welcome! :hug: I've been taping all the reruns that I missed taping the first time around so I saw the preview after last weeks rerun. :2party:

it was an excellent episode!! I didn't get into Dark Angel that much - so I guess this storyline was more original for me.

I know a couple of spoilers... If you want to know...

Coralline has a rare blood type - the same as Beth's. That is what's cloaking her vampirism. And we get a character death next episode. If you think really hard at some of the choices (because really we don't have that large of a character-base for this show) you will figure it out... Think about how it will affect Beth...
Huh, that seems like a lame answer....

Gaaaah!!! I had resisted for so long but couldn't resist when you actually commented to it. :p My fault, i have low resistance. ;)

Now, I just want to say OMG!!! I knew it!!!! :2party: :xd :heart:

My subsequent ramble and crazy logic...
After Josef mocking the type of blood Mick drinks, I suspected that Coraline and Beth had the same blood type which is why Coraline picked her and partly why Mick was attracted to both. Then Morgan had the Naproxen prescription which treats infection and the hospital staff going on and on about how "quickly" infection set it but was strangely making her colder rather than warmer.

I am so ecstatic this means Coraline is a vampire and not human! :2party:

I've watched these eps far too many times. :redshy:

sherrilina

10-01-08, 07:44 AM

After Josef mocking the type of blood Mick drinks, I suspected that Coraline and Beth had the same blood type which is why Coraline picked her and partly why Mick was attracted to both. Then Morgan had the Naproxen prescription which treats infection and the hospital staff going on and on about how "quickly" infection set it but was strangely making her colder rather than warmer.

I am so ecstatic this means Coraline is a vampire and not human! :2party:

I've watched these eps far too many times. :redshy:
Um, still don't know if I get it lol, but I too am glad that Coraline didn't really find a cure, cuz that would be too lame! :p

KingofCretins

10-01-08, 07:45 AM

Have there been any episodes since "Fleur de Lis"?

sherrilina

10-01-08, 07:47 AM

Have there been any episodes since "Fleur de Lis"?
Yes, an excellent one called "Sleeping Beauty" focused on Josef and his past, in which JD got to show off his acting chops. Quite well done....a big improvement over Fleur de lis!

KingofCretins

10-01-08, 07:54 AM

Wasn't "Fleur de Lis" the one that ended with at least a teased dead Shannyn Sossamon?

sherrilina

10-01-08, 07:56 AM

Wasn't "Fleur de Lis" the one that ended with at least a teased dead Shannyn Sossamon?
Yep--and in the next epp it showed that she hadn't died--or at least in the normal way--it looks like she's really still undead after all, that the human thing was temporary, a mask to lure in Mick.

KingofCretins

10-01-08, 07:58 AM

sherrilina

10-01-08, 08:00 AM

Ah, so she didn't really have anything to tell him along the lines that she had promised. Marginal interest in the show, still, but, I actually liked that episode. So, is she basically part of the cast at this point?
Well she was always "part of the cast" I'd say--if you go to the Moonlight site you'll see her standing in the promo pic as one of only 4 people, and she has a cast bio along with the other three, etc. But she has been in it more often of late, who knows about in the future?

Fleur de Lis was okay, but I didn't like it as much as some others, including the last one....

KingofCretins

10-01-08, 08:06 AM

sherrilina

10-01-08, 08:14 AM

The one with the guy that looked like a professional wrestler getting vamped to get off Death Row was pretty sweet. I'm kinda neutral toward the vamp make-up on this show. I am used to vampires being basically inhuman creatures -- even before the Buffyverse, I played "Vampire". Has *any* vampire on this show other than crazy hair rock guy actually fed on a human just out of convenience and indifference?
I'm sure Coraline probably did in her time....but vampires are much more human on this show, which I like--I always hated the silly and cheesy vamp-faces on Buffy, it was my least fave part of the show I think, and the creators understood this--hence Spike and Drusilla, etc, not being in vamp face as much as time went by--where it used to be that he was in vamp face more often than not. But we don't want to see vamp faces, we want human ones, or at least I do. I find the "animalistic single-minded pure evil" vamps to be a bit boring--I'd take more nuanced, complex ones any day. And I daresay many people agree with me--there's a reason why Anne Rice's vampire stories are so popular....or Angel and Spike! But on Buffy the only way to be interesting is to have a soul or be in love--which only a few vamps pull off....

But yeah, I like the vampires with human faces on Moonlight better than the ridiculous Buffy vamp-faces, though they still do change a bit on Moonlight when they fight/feed--they're eyes and teeth, though it's not as pronounced.

KingofCretins

10-01-08, 08:19 AM

To me, a real vampire would likely be a pretty flawless predator, and all human behavior and emotion would be completely affected. Much more reptilian in personality, inpenetrable, inscrutable. Which is actually something that the eyes in "Moonlight" get close to, but don't really hit. Aggro-whiny Rice vamps do nothing for me :)

I tend to think that there's a certain feline quality to the make-up and sound effects of vamps in the Buffyverse -- it actually first really occured to me in "Phases", when Angelus and Oz face off like, well, cat and dog.

But I digress. I'd find this show a lot more compelling if I saw Mick battle with genuine temptation to, y'know, feed. Or Josef just arbitrarily drain some chick he picked up at a club.

sherrilina

10-01-08, 08:27 AM

But I digress. I'd find this show a lot more compelling if I saw Mick battle with genuine temptation to, y'know, feed. Or Josef just arbitrarily drain some chick he picked up at a club.
Well there are some great flashback scenes of Mick and Josef laughing and drinking from women at a party, though not draining them--I feel like vampires drinking from lovers works too. I think you might like the protrayal of vamps in Blood Ties, Henry Fitzroy is pretty cool and suave abotu his vampirism, though he doesn't usually kill per se either (drinking from willing lovers, women he seduces, etc).

They don't have to be totally aggro-whiney lol--but a little more humanity, a vampire society, is good I think. As far as cool predators, maybe you'd like the vampires as protrayed in Kelly Armstrong's "Women of the Otherworld" books. *shamless plug* There's a vampire named Cassandra who's pretty impenetrable and calm, blase, excellent at what she does, etc.

But anyway, I like that vampires are such that Mick can have a close vampire friend while still being good--that's definitely something that Angel never had, since the only vampires he could ever associate with would be ones who also had souls, and Spike was someone he didn't get along with well even when he had a soul (though I think they got closer in season 5 b/c of that commonality). It makes a difference I think that Angel didn't have other vampire friends he could relate to and bond with, just human ones who didn't fully understand. So I really like that with Moonlight....

patxshand

10-01-08, 10:09 AM

I'm still trying for this series. I defended it against those who were writing it off even before it aired. The first few episodes were okay, but I stayed around basically for Jason Dohring. The fact that the two leads deliver *horrid* performances didn't help at all, nor did the shoddy special effects (ice cubes that look like white foam, a sunset that looks like a poster taped up on a wall), but the stories haven't been bad. Coraline's return is a complete rip off of the Darla arc (but 90% of this show is made up of scenes taken from BtVS or Angel, so I didn't mind too much), but at least it was interesting. I'll certainly be buying Season One when it comes out on DVD and tuning in for Season Two, but this show still has a LOT to prove before it becomes anything worth watching steadily.

BlasterBoy

12-01-08, 02:10 AM

Okay. I watched the first episode when it aired, and I thought it was lame, it was okay but it was all lame. Then, I saw the second episode and thought, "well, it's a LOT better than the Pilot, but still not good or anything".

Then, I saw the third episode. Wow. I'm not saying it was amazing, but it was a HUGE improvement from the last two episodes. I loved the whole set up of the Cleaners and the actually fighting other vamps. I want to see Mick really kill a vamp, like, take a sword, have a fight, and chop his head off, cause I want to see how the Moonlight crew would handle that: dust him, leave his head and body separate, ect. Just wondering about that.

So, yeah, I'll be continuing.

KingofCretins

12-01-08, 02:21 AM

That's an interesting dilemma. Joss is pretty clear that the dusting didn't come from mythology of any kind, but rather from the necessity not to have to have a "getting rid of the bodies" act to every episode. That's something that Moonlight faces as well -- haven't they killed a vampire on the show yet?

patxshand

12-01-08, 02:24 AM

KingofCretins

12-01-08, 02:28 AM

I dunno... maybe. He might have mentioned it, though. He said it was for efficiency; I assume the same is true for "Blade".

sherrilina

12-01-08, 02:34 AM

I always thought that Joss's dusting was--subconsciously, perhaps--influenced by "I am Legend" (the novel). In that, when a sleeping vampire was disturbed, their body fell to dust because of it's age. I might have gotten that explanation a bit off, it's been over a year since I've read it.
I don't know, I could have sworn I've seen vamps dusting before in other places....I mean, there are so many stories of vampires it wouldn't be surprising, even if Joss didn't seem them himself.

I can't remember what's happened to the vamp bodies so far--in any case, staking them paralyzes them, rather than kills them.

BlasterBoy

12-01-08, 02:37 AM

In 1.03, all he need was put the vamp in an incinerator while he was paralyzed and it faded out. You don't see if he dusts. :s

patxshand

12-01-08, 04:08 AM

sherrilina

12-01-08, 04:24 AM

Anyone watch the episode? I enjoyed it, but again... something was missing. It's both in the writing and the acting, but--other than the actor who play's Mick giving a performance that falls flat--I can't quite put my finger on it. I thought it was ballsy to kill that guy off, and I respect the show that much more for it. The bar scene was cool enough, though I think it would have made more sense if he stayed in vamp face the whole time. They had him turn three times in the last five minutes of the show, and it lost a bit of the dramatic effect because of it. But I thought it was quite a bit better than the average "Moonlight" episode.
Well how many epps have you seen? Fever, 1x04, was about as exciting, with dirty cops and jumping out of exploding cars, etc.....and 12:04 am was also very exciting and full of close calls....and the last epp was phenomenal too! I think O'Laughlin did/does a fine job now, the only thing I didn't really like was the bar scene, I think it went a little overboard there....but yeah, just another great Moonlight epp that is why I love this show! :D I'm soooo glad I forgot about the death spoiler until after Josh died--it was amazing how my mind helped me out there, lol! I was not expecting that, and the whole chase was just so exciting and on-the-edge-of-your-seat thrilling.....well done guys!

Lol, loved it when in the promo for next week they mentioned winning for fave new drama....damn straight! :D Made me feel so proud of it....

Next week's epp looks lame though....hopefully it'll be good....

KingofCretins

12-01-08, 09:20 AM

I'm still not quite hooked either. Pat's right... something feels like it's missing. I did love him freaking that guy out by snarling at him when nobody else could see. The vamp make-up on this show is not bad. The eyes are excellent.

It also needs less voiceover -- this guy ain't "Veronica Mars".

patxshand

12-01-08, 08:25 PM

It also needs less voiceover -- this guy ain't "Veronica Mars".

I agree. That part where it inexplicably cuts to his v/o of "Sometimes... I just want to tell her" was so... weird.

KingofCretins

12-01-08, 08:39 PM

BlasterBoy

12-01-08, 08:40 PM

Didn't see the new episode yet, but I just saw "Arrested Development", and I loved the Rollercoaster fight scene! Awesome! Also, in the fight, the vamps head got chopped off by the coaster, and he just dangled there, with his head on the floor, so that answers our question.

While I like the series a lot more now, I still have to agree that the voiceovers are really annoying.

sherrilina

13-01-08, 02:47 AM

Exactly... at the end of the episode, when he wants to tell her she's why he wants to go on living, I had to double take to figure out if he actually said it. I mean, the show shouldn't actively make it difficult for you to watch it while reading or folding laundry.
Well I don't know how you could watch/pay attention to a show and read anyway....but I liked that VO at least, since what he said out loud differed--in that instance you knew that he wasn't saying how he really felt, but you knew what he did really feel at the same time--so in cases like that, I do like the voiceovers...

But yeah, sometimes they can get annoying, like the ones at the beginning of this epp, when he was working out--that reminded me of the one time Angel had voiceovers on his show in Redefinition, and it was just as annoying then, lol....

Didn't see the new episode yet, but I just saw "Arrested Development", and I loved the Rollercoaster fight scene! Awesome! Also, in the fight, the vamps head got chopped off by the coaster, and he just dangled there, with his head on the floor, so that answers our question.

While I like the series a lot more now, I still have to agree that the voiceovers are really annoying.
Lol, I forgot the body dangled there, I thought it fell to the ground so you still didn't see what happened--but there you go then, no dusting! :D

ThePoet's<3

13-01-08, 04:49 AM

HOORAY!!! The Kick-A Vampire is back!!

I for one LOVED this episode for Mick's display of being a vampire!! Finally! Since Buffy and Angel there have been no vampire shows (other than movies) where the vampires kick some bad-guy butt!!

Interesting that the VO is now the new "inner dialogue" of books. We were discussing this in another thread about whether the inner dialogue of the Buffy S8 characters was distracting. I think the VO of TV is the new way of expanding the emotions/depth of the character. I don't find it as distracting because I'm used to it from Scrubs, My Name is Earl, Pushing Daisies, etc. Everyone has VO now.

Besides the stuff in the beginning?? I couldn't tell you one thing he said. I was looking at the BODY! :D Voiceoverschmoiceover.

I also had no problem with him going in/out of the vamp face. I think we were used to vamps keeping their faces on from Buffy/Angel. I read an article not to long ago about this chaps makeup sessions taking far less time than because they watned to keep it simple and quick. Best look (also sexy - because lets face it - women like good-looking vamp faces - that was always a HUGE complaint of mine with the Buffy/Angel vamps) and quick look.

And revenge-seeking Mick?? Oh MAN! I hope somebody steps on his tail again!!

ThePoet's<3

19-01-08, 07:03 AM

sherrilina

19-01-08, 09:21 AM

Okay... Did anyone see the show tonight?!? VEEEEEERY interesting!

I like this story about the 7 siblings coming up with the key to temporary mortality. And really liked the "turn" of Historic events about Louis 16th!
Well the history buff in me was a little skeptical about their take on the French Revolution, but it was still kind of clever and interesting, and I loved the reveal about Coraline and the part about "letting a mortal into our bloodline against his will and our consent"--very interesting that there are repurcussions to her actions, and that technically Mick is somewhat related to Lance! (Who by the way was sooo creepy with that eye--at first I thought he was missing an eye though (that Coraline had stolen that, lol) which is even creepier....).

But yeah, loved seeing the Cleaners again and learning about the new vamp society/family with Lance and Coraline (that must have been how Coraline survived the fire, given what we saw with Lance! Though in that case wouldn't they have passed the fire finger test anyway?). Also loved meeting a new face from the past in the form of Cynthia--I wonder what she thinks of how much her close friend loves Mick?

Also how tragic and sweet and heartbreaking was all the Josh stuff, especially that he was going to propose? Seriously, I'm so glad he at least got to kind of make up with Beth and sleep with her one more time and feel her love before he died, though it makes Beth's love for Mick and any relationship they might have feel a little dirty IMO--I feel guilty about how she was treating him in their last few months and i'm just a viewer of the show! :p

So yeah, a fantastic epp in all with a good ending (interesting how Mick, in spite of feeling helpless and in pain, still liked being human, unlike Angel--loved how he ordered all that food, lol! :D). A good epp to go out on, though I'm dying to know more about what will happen to Coraline, etc.

And was I the only one who instinctively thought that Mick was talking about JD at first when he mentioned "Logan"? :lol: That must have been an inside joke/nod to JD and the VM fans, lol--I wonder if there was ever any confusion on set? ;)

Ehlwyen

13-02-08, 11:36 PM

Moonlight will return with 4 episodes on April 11th . :xd I am thrilled beyond words!!! :heart: :2party: I so hope we will be getting some more backstory episodes and not just detective case of the week.

And here is CBS's entire list of shows that will be returning and expected episodes. http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/cbs_entertainment/release?id=17935

slaycandy

14-02-08, 01:51 AM

Moonlight will return with 4 episodes on April 11th . :xd I am thrilled beyond words!!! :heart: :2party: I so hope we will be getting some more backstory episodes and not just detective case of the week.

And here is CBS's entire list of shows that will be returning and expected episodes. http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/cbs_entertainment/release?id=17935

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :2party: :2party: :2party:

ahem, 'm sorry, cannot control the giddiness right now! I am so excited to see that we're actually going to be getting some more Moonlight before the fall! Although, I hope this doesn't mean that we're only getting no more and no fall eps! :O I can't wait to see what they do with the backstory, and they have to tell us where Coraline is now, I mean surely it must be driving Mick crazy not knowing what happened... well, it'll slowly get to him, and in the end, he'll track her down. And I want more Josef too, heh, 'ccause let's face it, JD rocks. :)

And am heading to bed now, because I am not really having any coherent thoughts atm lol!

SJ
xox

Cori

02-03-08, 07:12 PM

Moonlight will return with 4 episodes on April 11th . :xd I am thrilled beyond words!!! :heart: :2party: I so hope we will be getting some more backstory episodes and not just detective case of the week.

That is good news indeed! :D I have stopped watching Moonlight for a while because I was watching so many other shows and the MOTW eps did not hold my interest that much.

However, since we are on hiatus once again (stupid strike!), I decided to catch up and finally watched episodes 1.10, 1.11 and 1.12 this weekend and I have to say I really enjoyed those episodes, especially 1.11 and 1.12. :) I love Coraline and it was great to find out more about her background in 1.12, especially since it's such an interesting background. Those flashback scenes to the time of the French Revolution were really well done and completely sucked me in. :D I also loved how Mick enjoyed being human so much. The scene where he ordered all that food and ate with so much joy was great! I wonder how long his being human will last. How long did it last for Coraline, do we know that? A few weeks or months?

I was completely unspoiled for Josh's death so that took me by surprise even though I should have guessed that he would be out of the picture sooner or later since the show's focus is clearly on Mick and Beth. Josh's death scene in the park with Mick and Beth trying to save him was very gripping and dramatic, I kept hoping against all odds that he would pull through. And I can't believe Beth asked Mick to turn Josh! :shocked2: I mean, I can understand her motive but it was still quite unexpected. I'm glad Mick told her no though, even if it caused friction between.

So I'm looking forward to more episodes, to finding out how long Mick will stay human and how that will affect his relationship with Beth, what will happen to Coraline, more Joseph scenes (JD is just love!) and, as Lyn said, more background episodes because those are so much more interesting than the MOTW ones.

Cori

11-03-08, 09:15 PM

Spoilers for the first episode back from Watch with Kristin, read at your own risk: :D

Renee in Mullica Hill, New Jersey: Any news about Moonlight?

In the first ep back, "Fated to Pretend," Mick invites Beth over to his place so he can make her dinner. They agree that, yes, it's a date. (Try not to squee too loud. I've heard really high-pitched sounds are distressing to vampire detectives, what with the superhearing and all.) Oh, and then Beth gets taken hostage and Josef helps Mick kill some bad vamps so they can save her. Oh, all right, fine: Squee

This sounds really great! :) I can't wait to see the Beth/Mick date and Josef kicking some ass will surely be a joy to watch! :D I wonder how good Mick's cooking skills are, given the fact that he never has to cook for himself. :lol:

slaycandy

12-03-08, 02:35 AM

Spoilers for the first episode back from Watch with Kristin, read at your own risk: :D

This sounds really great! :) I can't wait to see the Beth/Mick date and Josef kicking some ass will surely be a joy to watch! :D I wonder how good Mick's cooking skills are, given the fact that he never has to cook for himself. :lol:

Hee! That sounds awesome! I had the read episode title somewhere, and was a little intruiged by what it would be about, but had avoided the spoilers before.... but... I HAD to look! I just pretty much can't wait for some more Moonlight, and also:

Some more Josef! I'm glad that he's going to be in our first ep back and kickin ass will be fantastic! :D

SJ
xox

ThePoet's<3

12-03-08, 06:10 AM

skinless

12-03-08, 06:38 PM

I know I cant wait to see this Show but what Im wondering is why do People keep leaving this show, What Problems are the Bigwigs having with each other?

slaycandy

13-03-08, 03:07 AM

I can't wait for this show to come back!!! I have heard April 24th is the next airing!!! I've missed them so much!

But ai also heard that the new producer (after David Greenwalt) has quit also! So, I wonder who is driving the ship now???

this is copied from Moonlight Fans:

While Moonlight was previously slated for an April 11th, return date, we now have confirmation it will be returning two weeks later on April 25th. As far as we know, the remaining three episodes will air every week after that without interruption, leading up to a season finale on May 16th.

So looks like it'll be back airing from April 25th, :D

And (also from Moonlight Fans):

In the first of many of Seat42F's "Seat Q&A" weekly columns, a question regarding Moonlight's showrunner and future is answered.

What’s going on with Moonlight? No mention of a second season from CBS and today I heard they lost their showrunner.

Seat42f: I’ll tackle the showrunner question first. Chip Johannessen has left the series. His void for the next four episodes will be filled by Joel Silver and the writing staff. It appears they are not going to hire a new showrunner until they hear about a second season. With regards to the second season. We got this from CBS…

“Thank you for watching Moonlight and for your incredible support of the series. We are excited that the series will be coming back in April with four new, original episodes. Like any new television series, a decision to renew for next season is largely based on how many viewers watch the program. We encourage you to tell your friends about the upcoming episodes and work with us to find more viewers for Moonlight.”

Bottom line Moonlight fans. The show needs more viewers to get a second season. Tell EVERYONE you know to tune into the April episodes. Start the grassroots save Moonlight campaigns NOW.

Joel Silver taking over must be a pretty safe move though, I mean he did work on Veronica Mars, and has produced some pretty damn big movies too, and he's been with the show since the beginning, so I'm fairly calm in the knowledge that it'll be in good hands with him.

SJ
xox